Jon Stewart Speaks on the Media
I meant to write this yesterday, but I’m glad I waited until today, since I now have more material to reference.
Basically, Jon Stewart sat down on Monday morning for breakfast with a bunch of journalists from all across the media spectrum and spoke about his disdain for cable news, and offered a warning to newspapers that they shouldn’t follow their lead.
There were several different reports filed about the speech, but the one I like the best comes from Comedy Central blogger Daniel DiClaudio (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3). Just a warning that it is a bit long winded, and reeks of Stewart fanboyism in some parts (DiClaudio claims to not work for or represent The Daily Show), but I also think it’s the most extensive coverage of the breakfast.
Other media reports fill in the gaps DiClaudio missed, such as this one from the WaPo and this one from the Wall Street Journal. I’ll provide some key quotes after the jump, and some brief analysis.
WSJ:
Comedian Jon Stewart had some very unfunny words for the media on Monday, calling cable news networks "a giant monster" and urging newspaper reporters not to fall prey to the 24-hour news cycle.
In an informal breakfast with roughly 20 journalists in Denver for the Democratic convention, Stewart, host of the Daily Show, riffed on what he considers a serious hindrance to the First Amendment. He said political television shows “create a false sense of urgency.”
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He urged the print media not to buy into television and campaign spin and to dig deep into stories, even if it means burning bridges with sources and not giving readers exactly what they want. “I think my audience would like to see a naked woman smoking crack…but you’ve got to draw the line,” he said.
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When pressed on which candidate he supports, Stewart said “Mr. T.” He said both Barack Obama and John McCain “would be decent presidents.” (Author note: I only recently realized Stewart might not be as liberal as some would like you to believe, so this doesn’t come as such a shock to me.)
WaPo:
Wearing a gray T-shirt, khaki pants and a healthy stubble, the "Daily Show" host told reporters at a University of Denver breakfast that Fox’s "fair and balanced" slogan is an insult "to people with brains" and that only "Fox News Sunday" host Chris Wallace "saves that network from slapping on a bumper sticker. . . . Barack Obama could cure cancer and they’d figure out a way to frame it as an economic disaster."
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A Fox News spokesman, who was authorized to give the network’s response to Stewart’s comments but declined to be named, replied that "Jon’s clearly out of touch," citing a Pew Research Center study showing the network has the most balanced audience in cable news, 39 percent Republicans and 33 percent Democrats. "But being out of touch with mainstream America is nothing new to Jon, as evidenced by the crash-and-burn ratings of this year’s Oscars telecast." (Author note: And nothing else might have affected ratings, like, say, the writer’s strike that had just ended!? Pinning it on Stewart’s performance is a weak argument.)
DiClaudio:
It is true that Stewart plowed into cable news. He called Fox News’ fake news coverage a "the biggest ‘fuck you’ to people with brains." But he also said that Fox does the best job of all the cable news networks, because "they have an idea," an agenda, something through which to filter their information. Plus, they give their reporters "cover." Their reporters are free to write their stories as they’ve been told to write them, without fear of reprisal, because the network makes sure that it’s the entity that takes the brunt of the fallout. On the other hand, his view of CNN seems to be a network just bouncing around, following the media cycle, trying to keep up with whatever the big story and the big angle is.
And while he did claim that the 24-hour news channels are ruining political discourse, he did not "declare his love" for newspapers. Not exactly. He did have a lot of great things to say about newspapers and for the reporters sitting around the table before him. But they were definitely not let off the hook.
"I can’t believe that, as reporters, you would walk into a ’spin room’," he said, amazed at the journalists’ willingness to swallow the bullshit that the campaign and candidates spoon feed them. "How can you keep talking to people who are lying to you?" he asked. "This loveless marriage [between reporters and politicians] has to be unconsummated."
What DiClaudio was talking about was reporters dining with politicians in order to create some rapport with them. I’m not sure how common this practice is in national media, but I’ve never heard of it in local media. I’m sure it’d be against ethics policies, for one. Reporters already walk a fine line in trying to get information. One of the biggest criticisms of media (even on the local level) is the rapport reporters can sometimes create with their "beat"; for instance, a reporter becoming friendly with a police lieutenant in order to get the big scoops first.
DiClaudio:
Which is not to say that they didn’t push back when they felt their egos being stepped upon. After Jon pointed out the problem of dining off the record and fostering personal relationships with the politicians they need to report on (namely that a personal like or dislike of them of human beings, irrespective of their political actions, can’t help but seep into their reporting), one of the journalists quipped something like, "But John McCain makes such great ribs." To which Jon responded with his chiding (and not trying to be funny) question, "Why do I take this more seriously than you?"
The reporters hit back indeed, asking Stewart what the difference was between them having breakfast with Stewart and dining with a politician. I think Stewart’s explanation of the difference being fostering a relationship with the guy who might have the power to command the world’s most powerful military and asking him about the media was pretty good.
This wouldn’t be the first time Stewart has ripped into the media. He does it regularly on his show, and though in a less serious fashion, the message gets through. And who can forget that infamous exchange between him and Tucker Carlson on Crossfire?
Yet, reporters hitting back at Stewart in good fun, and Fox News giving weak arguments on why he’s disconnected with Americans wouldn’t be the first time he’s gotten flack about his media criticism. I watch Bill O’Reilly, and one day, he and Geraldo were discussing O’Reilly’s recent interview with and interview of Stephen Colbert. Geraldo basically ended up brushing Colbert and Stewart off as people who are only relevant to people who make fun of "ladies slipping on ice and exist in a small place where they count for nothing."
I’d wager that Stewart is more correct in his view of the media than they are of his show. Finally, I think it shows a lot about the media when a comedian feels the need to get serious about the issue.










"I’d wager that Stewart is more correct in his view of the media than they are of his show. Finally, I think it shows a lot about the media when a comedian feels the need to get serious about the issue."
I’ll second that, good write-up Michael. The fact that John Stewart, a comedian seems to care more about this obvious problem, and that people like Geraldo and O’Reilly see NO, zero, not a thread of validity in what he is saying, demonstrates to me all the more how much they are either voluntarily, forcedly or monetarily driven to be partisan in their reporting. This is most obviously true with FAUX news, but the other cable and non cable news outlets are just as guilty (yet much more subtlety so, probably to make it less obvious). This is great that he is calling them on it, but so what? What is going to be done about it? These news outlets will never admit, "Yeah, you know what, we were not being honest with the American people. Sorry. We’ll report on th root causes of issues, not just the wavetops, be honest, disclose all the facts we have and be unbiased from now on, we promise". What should be done about it, is the real story /discussion.
Aside from his show, (but just in these Media criticism pieces) One thing I think John Stewart has been good at, and if others would want to follow in his footsteps should be careful of, is not pointing the finger at a liberal or conservative bias. Once that is done, the fact that one labels the bias as such, right or wrong, creates the perception of one calling out the bias as having the opposive view of the bias. They should be careful to point to bias in general (the liberal or conservative slant should be apparent without pointing out anything) Anything more than that…round and round we go..
My problem with Stewart is that he gives these nice speeches but he never does anything on his end because he feels he show is a comedy. Which is true but he hits the media and politicians on his show but he is a terrible interviewer. He gives them softball questions. I think he realizes it’s hard to ask hard questions and still keep getting interviews. That’s what’s tough about reporting. Maybe he wishes he could be that way and is upset that the real media can’t ask the hard questions, because he can’t either.
I see this as Stewart calling the kettle black. Doesn’t he realize that HE is a big part of the problem?
There are a lot of HS and college students who actually use his show as their primary news source. As a result, we get this myopic effect where people are far more obsessed with political gaffs than they are with real news.
All of Stewart’s shows follow this patten: He’ll show a video clip of a known figure, such as Bush/McCain/Hillary/etc, but usually a Republican or conservative religious leader, saying something stupid (or taken out of context so it looks stupid). Then he says: "look how stupid he is"! (another video clip) "and stupid again"!
If Stewart thinks he is bettering mankind with his show, maybe he should try taking a hard look in the mirror before criticizing the media.
“There are a lot of HS and college students who actually use his show as their primary news source. “ “The Pot calling the kettle black”
Apples and Oranges. These statements actually strengthens my argument. If these kids have access to Comedy Central, they have cable, and therefore have access to..ahem.."real news" programs. It is not like someone is twisting their arm to use Comedy Central as a news source. The same cannot be said about viewers of Fox News, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, NYT, WSJ, etc… These are supposedly the pinnacle of our news sources. The most “reliable” “fair and balanced” outlets. Stewart is a comedian, who’s show is as he put it “follows a show about a bunch of puppets making crank calls” that’s the whole point of his argument. I suppose these students also use Tina Fey on SNL as a source as well? Are they also held responsible for reporting the real news as well? Because news satire relies heavily on irony and deadpan humor, it is occasionally mistaken for real news, but who’s fault is that? The problem lies in the fact that sometimes the "real news" relies on these as well as a host of other attention grabbers to gain ratings. .
If Stewart thinks he is bettering mankind with his show, maybe he should try taking a hard look in the mirror before criticizing the media.
Wrong again. He would argue probably, that he is just in the comedy business to make a quick buck. However, his criticism of "real media" outlets appears sincere to me. I hardly ever watch his show (I don’t find it overly amusing) but he is spot on with his criticism.
I’ve seen a couple studies that said that Daily Show viewers had an above average knowledge of current events as compared to viewers of "real" news shows. Another study showed that TDS had about the same amount of actual hard information as your average newscast, which I think serves as a searing indictment of traditional news media all by itself. It’s not Jon’s job to swoop in and fix things. He goes far above his actual call of duty, which is really to make people laugh, by actually making them think. He does something that I barely ever see any show except maybe Meet the Press do, take statements of a politician and then show the video that proves that they are lying through their teeth. Also, though interviews are his weak spot (always remember that he’s supposed to be funny AND that this is a stand up comedian, not Tom Brokaw, he’s learned everything on the fly) he does not always let people off the hook. Oh he does sometimes, but I’ve seen plenty of people squirm in their seats as Jon gently tears them to pieces. It’s true that he definitely leans liberal, but the fact is that the highest priority on his scorn list is not the Republicans but the media. He spends most of his time and irony on them. It’s curious to see how obviously many actual journalists admire him, as if he were a snarky little concious. I think that many of them secretly wish they could say the things he says freely.
Wading in… John Stewart is a funny guy; John Stewart is left of center. John Stewart’s show is comedy. As he said during his famous smack down on CrossFire "The show that leads into me is puppets making crank phone calls. ".
So isn’t this having it both ways. I want to be able to make fun of political folks (and maybe moreso of those to the right of me) but also don’t want the responsibility of being "fair and balanced". But I still want you to take me seriously.
Listen, I respect his opinion BUT its the same argument that Hollywood folks put out. (i.e. if have a podium and therefore my opinion should be taken seriously). Because so much of the "news" shows suck doesn’t mean that you get a pass because you’re smart and respected and think they suck.
PJ O’rourke does the same thing on the right but at least he doesn’t take himself so seriously. Again I have to emphasize, I like John Stewart, I just think he needs to have a bit more self awareness of his biases. And to respond to one of his responses at that conference "No, as much as those on the left dislike Karl Rove, to have him as an "analyst" is no different than having Carville as an analyst. "
Finally, if he was truly serious about this, he would begin every Daily Show with a disclaimer "If you like political humor, welcome but if you’re watching our show to catch up on today’s news, please change the channel and find a reliable news source to do that!"
Then the quote goes on: "…if you can find one."
I do think Stewart perhaps views himself as too much of an authority on the issue, but it isn’t all his fault. When reporters flock to him for his views on it, why shouldn’t he get a little egotistical about it?
If I have one major criticism of his part in the breakfast, it’s that he was a little weak on his answer when the reporters dug into him about comparisons between the breakfast and dining with a politician.
As for doing something about it, what can he do? He doesn’t work for a news organization, nor is its management. Short of telling his viewers to boycott all the news organizations (which would give him more criticism about taking it too seriously), is there anything else?
As for doing something about it, what can he do? He doesn’t work for a news organization, nor is its management. Short of telling his viewers to boycott all the news organizations (which would give him more criticism about taking it too seriously), is there anything else?
Sorry, I’m not saying it is up to John Stewart, I’m thinking he is doing as much as he can. He is acting as a good catalyst on getting something started. But it would be nice if someone in the news arena would "take the ball" soon, and shake things up a little to address this issue. There has to be some group of real journalists who are chomping at the bit to take MSM to task on this for an extended period of time. An election year would be a good year to do it. To get specific, some issues that would be important to discuss are how media consolidation is leading to content homogenization. Also, John said, reporters shouldn’t be so “buddy-buddy” with those they are reporting on, It seems obvious to me that their relationship may infect the facts. To me, human nature dictates that it would be not impossible obviously, but much more difficult to report a negative story about a friend or friendly acquaintance. Human nature also dictates that if you get benefits from a relationship, the same may happen. Whoever does this would be bucking the system and perhaps even biting the hand that fed them but I think that is what it takes for a real journalist to do their job correctly. Right now, there is not much of this going on in my opinion.
At the higher, network executive level. The same exact problem occurs. Network executives have friends, acquaintances and bosses at parent companies that are looking out for stockholders interests. In the exact same way, these folks make decisions on what to report on based on these interests, and not always on the unadulterated facts. Some would argue there is a conflict of interest in the latter of these relationships, and I tend to agree.
Actually, Some would argue there is a conflict of interest in the all of these relationships, and I tend to agree.
Claudia said: "I’ve seen a couple studies that said that Daily Show viewers had an above average knowledge of current events as compared to viewers of "real" news shows."
That’s not exactly what it said. You are probably referring to the public knowledge poll done by the Pew research center back in April 2007. Like kids in a candy store, several left-wing sites gleefully chose to focus on one aspect only: That "Daily Show" viewers supposedly knew more than "O’Reilly Factor" viewers (54% vs. 51%), and that CNN viewers were more knowledgeable than those that watch Fox News (41% vs. 35%).
In truth, the data was not so simple, since most people claimed they used several different sources for their news, and the margins were small. But anyway, if they had bothered to look a little further into the survey, they would have found this:
If that double negative is confusing, I will translate: more Democrats than Republicans fell into the low-knowledge group!
But anyway, getting back to Stewart, he is a comedian so he can say what he wants. But I’ve seen too many quotes on his show totally taken out of context to take any of these "gotcha" moments seriously.