Russia Complains about Turks and Shoots its Reporters
Recently, Russia blamed the Turks and complained about Georgia’s military training being conducted by Turkey. Russia complained that sophisticated weapons were in the hands of Georgia’s military and that Turkey was responsible.
Russian newspaper “Izvesitya” made a list of weapons that Georgia received from Turkey, which included about 400 Mp5s, 1800 M72 hand grenades, 100 vehicles, ships, and missiles and other weapons. The newspaper blamed Turkey as responsible for the war. Anti-Turkish and Anti-Georgian sentiment in Russia has grown since the 1400s and it is no surprise that Russian newspapers continue to engage and absurd racist attacks against their long-time enemies the Turks. The fact that Russia complains and blames others while they are using everything in their power to overwhelm such a tiny country shows their arrogance and hypocrisy.
On top of that Russia, has encouraged the Abhazians to join the battle against Georgia. It is reported that Chechnyans even joined the Russians in the attack against Georgia, surprisingly.
Turkish news reporters who were quick to reach Georgia to cover the battle have filmed horrors and atrocities committed by Russian and Ossetian troops. They report that the Georgian government has declared a cease fire and has informed the Russian embassy that they have stopped fighting completely, but the bombing has yet to stop.
Georgian buildings are crumbling, refugees do not know which direction to escape to. Thousands of Georgians (not Ossetians as sometimes falsely reported) have been killed by Russian and Ossetian troops, missiles, and war planes.
Airports and factories have been demolished by Russian air forces. In addition, cities and towns have been bombed killing civilians without military targets.
Russian ships dropped off soldiers on the other side of Georgia and blamed the Turks for having ships close by, threatening those ships to retreat.
This is definitely not a peacekeeping operation and it is surely not a defense of Ossetia as once thought but a complete offensive planned months ago to conquer Georgia and make it a province of Russia.
Earlier, a news agency’s car has been attacked by assault rifles, wounding journalists who were there to report on the fight. Kanal Turk’s reporter, Levent Öztürk, is injured. And NTV reporter Hilmi Hacaloğlu has been wounded in the head. They said in the hospital that it was definitely Russian and Ossetian troops shooting at them, because they had passed by the Georgian troops earlier.
The most saddening part of this war, is the audacity of Russia to do all this during the Olympics which is suppose to be a time of peace. Someone should simply ban the Russian team from the Olympics as punishment for Putin’s illegal aggression.
Sir,
Thank you for your comments. As an American of Soviet origins I strongly disagree with your post. The root cause of this conflict is the desire of Alani and Abhasi people to be independent of Georgia and maintain such (since around 1991),and the subsequent exploitation of Russia’ temporary weakness by the West led by the US.
In so far as the "facts" in your post, they are not the "truth, only the truth and the whole truth…" and are at best a selection of your choice from other sources.
Truth is fact multiplied by faith. Your beliefs, as sincere as they may be, are not in the interests of a friendly relationship between Russia and the US I hope this conflict ends soon, and you can play a constructive role not by Russophobic posts, but by calling on the US government to stop their support of the mad man in Tbilisi.
With best regards,
Mikhail Drabkin
As are yours and everyone else’s. You would be better advised to post (with evidence) facts that you believe are missing rather than attacking the author.
ahhh…you guys are funny! The Georgia is a place where USA is fighting proxy war against Russia. If you know anything about politics you know that Georgian president Saakashvili is nothing more than a papet that is insalled there buy USA. (same as the one in Iraq, Afghanistan, Ukraine and etc.) I am American and love my country but…you can’t change the facts and make up your own truth. Turkey was used by USA so Russians can’t acuse USA of supporting/ariming directly Georgian Government. They are just a tool and nothing more!
You are quite mis-taken by emotion.
The article is not objective reporting but propaganda of anti-Russian, pro-Western views, and as such does not deserve a more detailed factual illustration than given by me: "…the desire of Alani and Abhasi people to be independent of Georgia and maintain such (since around 1991), and the subsequent exploitation of Russia? temporary weakness by the West led by the US…" - you are welcomed to argue this summation of the causes of the hostilities.
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Good countries and people go bad in no time; I suggest you use your influence to keep us from getting there. And do learn to live with an ascending Russia.
Then can I ask you Mikhail, what is ascending Russia going to get out of these attacks? And please do not answer it as it is just to save the lives of innocent ones.
You seem to be so sure of yourself that the article is anti-Russian propaganda and you think that you know the reason for the start of the attacks very well, therefore I asked.
I have many Russian friends, and I respected Russia after the Cold War ended, but again, there seems to be a new Russian Empire rising, the same centuries old Imperialism of Russia has awoken once again.
With the invasion of Georgia itself, Russia has proven that it was lying before when it said it was simply defending itself or the Ossetian people.
It’s as if your brother slaps you, you may slap back for justice, but you may instead slap back three-five times the subsequent slaps being just for fun or to be mean yourself. This is Russia’s reaction, doing something for itself rather than justice.
Nothing… Absolutely nothing justifies Russia to commit ethnic cleansing against the Georgian people, to shoot reporters, or to bomb civilian targets–period.
My sources are not selective, just because the Georgian army may have harmed Ossetians, doesn’t make Russian harm against Georgians excusable.
"Puppet governments" don’t exist, this is a conspiracy, if it really was a puppet, Russia would have been warned, and don’t you think US B2 bombers wouldn’t be flying over Moscow right now? What’s Russia going to do, start a nuclear war? The United States doesn’t have to fear Russia, if you think so then you are truly unaware of U.S. military technology and/or you forgot that the United States has more Nuclear weapons. The U.S. isn’t acting because it doesn’t have Georgia as an interest, that’s the only reason, because it’s not a puppet nation.
A key doctrine in the military is to create a buffer zone between your assets and positions of your enemies. Israel used Southern Lebanon for this purpose for years. To stop the shelling of S. Ossetia just over the border in Georgia, you must suppress those weapons. Russia is following military doctrine by suppressing artillery and other weapons that Georgia is using to attack Ossetia and Abkhazia. Do keep in mind that Georgia attacked S. Ossetia first. An area where there was no real Russian military presence or heavy duty military hardware. If Georgia is interested in peace so much, why does it not observe its own cease-fire. Or sign the anti-agression treaty that Russia has offered it? If Georgia is such a peace loving democracy these things would not have happened in the first place.Zokhe
Puppet governments do exist btw. How was Sakashvili(a New York Lawyer) able to gain power through Revolution?These are basic tactics of the CIA, as evidenced in Iran and other places. Another prime example is Ukraine. Through CIA backed politicians and money they were able to gain power and place politicians that are favorable to America and the West. Zokhe
Zokhe, I agree with you that puppet goverments exist but I can not understand what you mean by Georgia rejected peace offerings of Russia.
Georgia, in the eyes of a foreigner is protecting its borders and sovereignty in its own land and as such has the right to attack S. Ossetia. If S. Ossetia declared its independance one-sidedly, then Georgia of course had to react. Therefore Georgia starting to attack first does not mean a thing. Russia expanding the invasion to Tiflis means something though. This is just exploitation of opportunities by Russia and I wonder what Russia is going to get out of these attacks really or at least what it is expecting to get out of them.
If now in Turkey, Kurds declare their independance one-sidedly by forming a Kurdistan in east part of Turkey (which is their only desire and which is the sole reason for the terrorism Turkey has to go through in the east part), what do you expect Turkey to do, sit and wait for seperation of each and every ethnic group from the country?
Elif, your logic would be true if Georgia had control over this area historically. They did not. S. Ossetia requested autonomy after the fall of the Soviet Union the same way that Georgia did. Add to this that they aren’t Georgians ethnically and have been treated brutally by Georgians in the past. S. Ossetians chose their own destiny, the same as Georgians did. Does the Georgians decision carry more weight than the Ossetians?Btw. the Turkish\Kurd conflict wouldn’t be an argue that you would want to get into with me. The Kurds have been suppressed by the Turkish govt for the past 30 years. Common occurrences in Turkey are the closing of Kurdish political groups on false pretenses, killing of leading Kurdish academics\businessmen\news reporters etc. etc. The teaching of the Kurdish language was outlawed including the teaching of Kurdish culture. Do you think these actions are justified. Unfortunately in the West we don’t hear about these things because Turkey is a staunch ally. Their human rights record though has been one of the worst in human history.Zokhe
Btw. Siz Türk olduğunuzu, isminizden (Elif) ve "Tiflis" Türk şeklinde kulandığınızdan belli ediyorsunuz.Russian complaints of interference from Turkey aren’t unwarranted by the way. Turkish media openly describes the training of 750 Georgian soldiers in Turkey. Turkey’s interest in the oil pipeline going through Georgia goes without saying. Zokhe
Zokhe, yes, the Turks openly admit to that. We know Russia blames us, and we’re very sorry about that :))))
Turkish media openly describes the training of 750 Georgian soldiers in Turkey.
Get out, only 750 and the Russians are complaining? What a bunch of wimpy whiners.
Turkey’s interest in the oil pipeline going through Georgia goes without saying.
Yes, and after the money, time and effort they spent to have the pipeline built I suppose their interest is warranted. Now, how about Russia’s interest in the pipeline, which it opposed, and from which it was excluded…. is Russia looking for a free-be?
We all know Russia’s one and only form of diplomacy: FORCE
"killing of leading Kurdish academics\businessmen\news reporters etc. etc."
Zokhe, you’re so full of crap. The PKK has killed more unarmed civilians in Turkey during the past 20 years than any other organization–and a very large portion of their victims are Turkish Kurds who refuse to support them.
And, Zokhe, we all know that the PKK arose in the same neighborhood as ASALA and that they are both the brainchild of a Russian agent whose last name is Karen.
Get out, only 750 and the Russians are complaining? What a bunch of wimpy whiners.Georgia has a population of 4.6million. These 750 Georgians will then pass on their training to the rest of their military officers.We all know Russia’s one and only form of diplomacy: FORCEHypocrisy will get you no where. It was the West with America in the lead that attacked N. Korea, Vietnam, Cuba, Libya, Grenada, Somalia, Haiti, Iraq, Serbia, Afghanistan, the list goes on and on. I will not go into detail of which attack was warranted or not. Every time the term "defense" against possible future attacks was used as the reasoning behind these wars. The only diplomacy America has used when it’s exhausted its other forms of coercion has been FORCE for the past century. Can you honestly blame the Russians for not wanting a hostile nation right next to it???Zokhe
So, Zohke, let me get this clear. Your argument is that Georgia, a sovereign country, needs Russia’s permission before allowing its troops to be trained in a foreign country or to host a military contingent in its own country?
If, say, a country close to the United States were to host a Russian military contingent, would the U.S. be justified in invading them? Or is Russia alone in having this power you grant to them over other states?
By your logic, the U.S. should invade Venezuela immediately!!!
What have you read recently? The PKK’s Self-Defense manual? Where are you getting your information from?
The PKK is a known designated terrorist organization, that has EVEN KILLED RUSSIAN CITIZENS. And you have the audacity to lie to the blog community about the Turkish government?
Do you know who the most famous singer in Turkey is (at least one of the most famous)? It’s Ibrahim Tatli Ses, he has been singing for decades in Turkey, and guess what? He’s Kurdish. He even speaks Kurdish on Turkish TV. Sometimes there are Kurdish speakers or singers that go on Turkish shows. The Turkish people are very open to all sorts of people because their own past is filled with a multitude of different ethnicities.
There is really barely a Turkish ethnicity (considering many of them were massacred in World War One thanks to Russia’s Imperialism)– Turkey is made up of Kurds, Greeks, Armenians, Turkic Turks, Azeris, Arabs, Circassians, Laz, Balkan Muslims, Albanians, and many others, they are a melting pot just like the United States.
The PKK has been killing unarmed civilians and tourists in Turkey for 30 years, and it started the war, not the Turkish government. Kurdish nationalism mixed with —thanks to Russia— Marxism and Communism have created the evil known as the PKK (Kurdistan Worker’s Party), which has been training terrorists for the past 30 years to kill Turks and Kurds who don’t do as they say. I can name you many Kurds all over the world who will tell you that the Turkish government has even given Kurds complete rights. The fact that all Kurds in Turkey have Turkish passports is enough to show you how tolerant the Turkish people and government is.
Again, I will ask you this direct question, if you don’t answer it, you need to stop talking:
If Russia has the right to suppress Chechen rebels, then does not Georgia have the right to suppress South Ossetian rebels?
What does Russia have to do with the fight between South Ossetia and Georgia? Why is Russia distributing citizenship to South Ossetians?
This is clear as day as clear as it gets, Russia is forming a new empire, and will crush any small country that isn’t NATO since it knows that no one will do anything about it.
I will respond to your comments one by one. It seems though you guys are too ideological for this to be worth it. Jason, I keep repeating and nobody seems to understand that S. Ossetia was never a part of Georgia for more than a couple of years. Why then would it be considered Georgian territory. Because of its close proximity to Gerogia??? Your Venzuelan example makes no sense. In fact it was the U.S. who almost brought the world to WWIII with the Cuban missile crisis. Isn’t it now hypocritical for you to complain? America has god knows how many nuclear missiles in Turkey, and their target is Russia. Their aims with Ukraine and Georgia are the same IMO. To try to contain\isolate Russia. I remember as well the past year when the U.S. was complaining bitterly about military hardware being sold to Venezuela. The point is no country would want a hostile neighbor, especially one being equipped and trained by one of its former foes. Zokhe
Johnathan Wilson; the fight between Russia and Georgia are between two separate states. The fact that S. Ossetia chose to align itself with Russia makes all the difference in the world. Russia is not forcefully making citizens of these people. They have chosen to become Russians themselves. Zokhe
Regarding the PKK, I’m getting my information from my experience being from Turkey, following the goings on of this country in almost a daily basis. Can you say this of yourself???Your skewed facts are wrong. The Turkish national security apparatus (MIT) has as much blood on its hands as the PKK. Google "Musa Anter" for one example of assassinations of Kurdish intelligista. Some of the actions of MIT in the past are coming to light with the latest Ergenakon investigations. Please educate yourself on this matter and then come to me with your facts. Labeling a group as terrorists does nothing to try to end the bloodshed. Kurds in Turkey have legitimate grievances. Kurds are accepted into the Turkish fold only when they commit themselves to being completely Turkishized. In other words if you’re a teacher of the Kurdish language in Turkey you need to be nervous. The only way to end the killing and bloodshed are for these two groups to come to the bargaining table. Unfortunately Turkey’s elite refuse to do this. Are you also saying the genocides committed by Turkey in WWI are Russia’s fault? I guess it was them that did the killing. Also since you seem to be so knowledgeable about Turkey, ask some of these Greeks or other minorities how it was living under Ottoman rule in the past. Even after the republic was established in 1923 minorities were ruthlessly put down and marginalized. Google "Varlık Vergisi" and see what you come up with. A tax placed on non-muslims doesn’t seem like something a country would do in the 20th century. This was done in the 1950s for your information, about the same time as Turkey was fighting N. Koreans because of their membership in NATO.Zokhe
Kurds in Turkey use to have legitimate grievances 50 years ago. Now they have all their rights and they had no right to support the PKK. They needed to use politics to get what they want, like the DTP party.
The MIT has not assassinated anyone, your facts are completely based off of Kurdish Ultranationalist bloggers and conspiracy theorists.
Everyone knows the Ergenekon issue is a scam that is being used to damage Secular politicians and journalists’ reputations as fabricated by the AKP. There is no real organization called Ergenekon, please look it up. The investigations are a political fraud by incompetent lawyers who side with the AKP.
What’s an "intelligista", did you mean "intelligentsia", how do you expect people to take you seriously? All you do is rant about politics you’ve heard from bloggers, and if you ever been to Turkey you would know the great stance Kurds have in Turkey today.
Preaching propaganda by Kurdish ultranationalists who probably never set foot in Turkey is just not right.
"Labeling a group as terrorists does nothing to try to end the bloodshed." — Are you seriously saying the PKK is not a terrorist organization.
Next you’ll be telling me Osama Bin Laden is an angel.
"Kurds in Turkey have legitimate grievances" — no they don’t, they only have "legitimate grievances" according to ultranationalists who want their own nation, simply because they have an irrational love for Kurdish people leading Kurdish people. It’s called nationalism, you can google it you know.
Well now you’re just inventing words. When I visited Turkey once, I met Kurds who taught me some Kurdish, and there were Turks with them as well, they got along just fine. In addition, I told you that people speak Kurdish on Turkish National TV, and you completely ignored me.
So, you’re saying…. That the PKK a terrorist organization that has killed thousands of Kurdish and Turkish civilians, should come to a "bargaining table" with Turkey. But you’re also saying, that Georgia who is asking to come to a "bargaining table" with Russia, should be refused and Georgia should simply be conquered by Russia, because Russia is always right and never wrong– Ok that makes perfect sense… Wow… Your comments are the most absurd I’ve seen yet.
Yes, Russia encouraged Armenians to revolt against the Ottoman Empire. The revolts got so violent and Turks were massacred so brutally that the Armenians were relocated. Along the way, Kurdish raiders among other raiders, and Muslims seeking revenge for Armenian massacres, also massacred Armenians.
There was no extermination, in fact, 500,000 Armenians were alive and receiving US Aid in Aleppo in 1916, according to US Consul J.B. Jackson.
Russian army was actually a good army, it was behaving well, modernly. I respect the Russian Army, but I don’t respect the Russian Politicians and leaders. They encouraged Armenians to revolt, and the Armenians suffered for it. You can ask Armenians what they think about Russia.
Well now you’re just straight out lying.
This was the Democratic Party, their leader was hanged by the Turkish army, which you should thank the Kemalists for. I can also delve into the blood the KGB has on its hands. How about this:
"Attacking a large nation, Afghanistan, in the middle of Central Asia because they didn’t adhere to the Soviet Union’s demands doesn’t seem like something a country would do in the 20th century."
By the way, for your information this was in the 1980s.
So if you want to talk human rights/freedom of speech/democracy/oppression— —>>Russia is the king of Oppression <<——.
You’re so sure of yourself but have no idea of the internal workings of this country. The hanging of 1 politician after the world slowly caught on to what was happening in Turkey regarding the "Varlık Vergisi" doesn’t change the suffering that minorities felt under the Republic. Refer to wikipedia for the progroms that happened in Turkey to minorities during this time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Istanbul_Pogrom. So what happened to all of these minorities that had been living in Turkey for the last 500 years. How many Greeks are still in Turkey or Armenians or other minorities? You can’t come up with numbers that can back you up can you? No, because these minorities don’t exist in Turkey anymore. In the beginnings of the 1900s a full 10% of Turkey were composed of minorities. Today it’s about 0.1%. Did these people disappear into thin air. You seem to be an apologist for Genocide. Over 1 million people were killed in a systematic way by the Turkish government in WWI. INCLUDING OTHER MINORITIES WHO HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RUSSIANS OR INSURRECTION. Pontus Greeks were targeted including others like Assyrians. A simple wikipedia or google search of these other genocides would prove my point. I guess I’m lying about that as well to further my goals, which is to promote Russian global domination. Hitler referred to his "final solution" as a genocide that the world wouldn’t remember the same as the Armenians of WWI. American Ambassador Morgenthau to Turkey at the time substantiates all of the facts as to what was going on in Turkey. Many other eye witnesses prove what really happened. You can keep trying to convince yourself otherwise but I bet most serious historians (not paid by Turkey) would disagree with you.Zokhe
Wov, I have been away from my laptop for just a night and you Zokhe turned thing into an anti Turkish propaganda with your false accusations and false historical information and I assume you are not even an Armenian or Kurd.
Do you know who Jonathan Wilson is? Do you know the extent of OBJECTIVE AND UNBIASED WORK he has been through about genocide accusations? Did you even read any of his articles on so called Armenian Genocide? I many not agreee with Jonathan on every issue but when it comes to being biased or unbiased, you have a lot to learn.
Don’t you also ever dare to come to me with your Morgenthau story as most genocide / Armenian sympathizers are doing which is proved to be an exaggeration and false STORY on many aspects over and over again and I really do not think that you would want to go into details of this so called genocide issue with either me or with Jonathan.
Yes I am 30 years old educated Turkish woman who sees the right in herself to discuss about world politics and last time I left this forum, it was about Georgia and Russia, which the article itself is about but I see that Armenians and Kurds have sympathizers everywhere.
I do not want to turn thing into a Turkey problem which is not, but apparently all problems go back to Turkey for you.
I am so tired of people like you, thinking that googling in the net is enough to judge a nation or an empire which ruled over ethnicities for so many years through peace and prosperity. If I do that for Russia, I wonder what your reaction will be.
I am also so tired of lies of people like you just reading through biased documents and then thinking that the other side’s all documents are indeed biased. I am not going into any detail here about these issues of which document is unbiased and which is biased (but I think you should, you are certainly unaware of them), but you have no right here in this forum to continue your anti - Turkish propaganda because it only shows to me how weak you are.
Yes you won’t want to go into details of any Kurd problem with me either, while in 21st century I lose my innocent ones in Turkey just here in my homeland and I represent many Turks here when I say that.
People like you calling PKK an anti-terrorist organization should not even deserve the responses I am giving to them, but I am doing it anyway.
Who are you to judge me, my country, my lost ones, my innocent lives just with googling? Have you ever been to Turkey? Have you ever been to east part of Turkey and don’t answer this question by making reference to propagandist people’s views and opinions. You are talking about Turkey sitting on table with PKK. Unbelievable. I never see the need to swear in this forum but if I did that, it would be now.
I am saying that if Georgia is trying to preserve its sovereignty in its own land, it has every right to but if you are saying that Georgia should not have this distator leader of theirs in the first place taking into consideration the historical background and Russia has the right to intervene as it pleases, that is something else.
We are talking about countries invading other countries here not Russia protecting its citizens from dictator leaders.
Your comment about a buffer zone is also very optimistic to me and news all over say otherwise but I hope you are right because I condemn the war or any terms of voilence (different than you)irrelevant of the ethnicity, religion or background of any lives lost. However sometimes you have to bear the consequences of some nasty actions of others.
Oh sorry Zohke, you wrote in Turkish, the situation is worse than I thought, you are from Turkey and you still think that PKK is an anti-terrorist organization. I thought you were a Russian. It would at least be better, your ignorance or bias could be excused by you being distant from Turkey. But now that you indicated you are from Turkey, that is even worse.
I won’t make any other assumptions about your origins, though I have now a more clear idea of, but no wonder why you are supporting Russian invasion. As a person from Turkey and supporting PKK, I am still thinking whether you deserve the time I spent on writing these comments but that is me unfortunately.
Just because nationalists like to blame other nationalists for genocide doesn’t mean that you should believe in them, simply because they captured a wikipedia page in their organized efforts.
1 million Armenians did not die, please look up the population of Armenians in the Ottoman Empire according to the census of 1914. There was 1.4 million Armenians. And 500,000 of them were receiving aid in Syria in 1916. Meaning they all survived. The rest of that number migrated.
Wouldn’t you migrate from a collapsing empire that is being attacked on all sides and has economic collapse and shortages of food that even Ottoman soldiers go to battle… HUNGRY.
"Simple google search" that’s easy to say. I can make you google search a lot of things, and disprove you.
Turkey has 70,000 Armenians inside its borders, including another 40,000 illegal Armenian immigrants who are fleeing the undemocratic oppressive mess that Russia made in Armenia. Armenia’s population is poverty stricken, and there is no freedom of speech according to the Economist and other humanitarian sources on the web.
The Istanbul Pogrom and the treatment of minorities in 1950-1960 were all plots by the Democratic Party. Their members and President Adnan Menderes were tried, and hanged for their crimes against humanity and against the constitution. So you see, the majority of Turks were not in favor of these actions against minorities.
"Pontus Greeks were targeted including others like Assyrians" Well that’s just absurd. They all migrated during World War One. They were never oppressed, there was no need to oppress tax payers especially during war-time. They needed every man possible to help the war efforts. That’s why they even allowed Armenian men to join the army (this did not make the ARF happy; and rebellions increased).
No, that quote was proven as a forgery, it was written on a piece of paper by Armenian nationalists. These nationalists also murdered Talat Pasha, the minister of interior who was living in Germany in 1922, and blamed him for genocide.
Nope, Ambassador Morganthau never set foot outside Constantinople, and he let his Armenian secretaries write his book. His diary however, does not state that there was any genocide.
Eye Witnesses can’t prove genocide. Thanks for proving to me you don’t even know what genocide is.
Wrong, most serious historians, would agree with me. Bernard Lewis is the finest historian on Islamic and Ottoman studies, he rejects the Armenian Genocide.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qG70UWESfu4
See here!
Zokhe, f you are going to sit there and make us listen to you drivel at least get your facts straight! It was not the Turkish Government which supposedly exterminated all the peoples you are so honourably defending, but rather the Ottoman Government. Go google that you clown! Your ranting is just the same old regurigated wiki rubbish put together by Greeks, Armeinans & Persians in L.A. and ofcourse those oh so cultured folk dance crazy PKK beggers around the globe. Not to mention the Assyrians who had it so good up untill they sided with the French in a bid to rip apart Eastern Anatolia. Get real cheif! Russia out!!!!!!!!!!
Doug, actually the government was in a transition stage. It’s not me who is the clown. Your emotional responses reveals your motives. You might be referring to the Hamidian massacres that occured in the 1890s: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamidian_massacres. Will you be blaming Russians for that as well?
Johnathan Wilson, since I don’t know the definition of Genocide maybe the International Association of Genocide Scholars do. They’ve labeled this event as a genocide and that over 1million Armenians were killed. I think you already know this though. These are historians by the way not politicians or ideologues with motives other than history….
Zokhe
Zokhe, you spit out anti-Turkish propaganda like a hate-filled member of the maniacal Armenian genocide diaspora. They too turn every topic of discussion into one about their "genocide" claims.
As for minorities in Turkey, the Turkish government does not monitor, keep track of or record the ethnicities of the citizens of the Republic of Turkey. If they did, everyone would be a minority because, like Americans, we are the product of a melting pot of over 50 ethnicities–and we like it that way.
While ultra-nationalist Armenians, Greeks, Russians and whoever else, like to keep their "blood pure," they should remember that mixing up the DNA results in stronger genetics and a more striking looking people.
Zokhe, have you exhausted all your anti-Turkish propaganda, or do you have any other unsupported allegations to hurl?
Zokhe, surprise for you. Genocide is a legal term. Lawyers know what it means and it is defined by law.
It is guaranteed that historians don’t know what it means, especially a group such as the so-called "International Association of Genocide Scholars"– scholars? right. Who determines they are scholars? The Zoryan Institute? which is nothing more than an Armenian funded tank whose primary purpose is to promote genocide claims for land and money?
Yes, you sure do spew forth hate, deliberate disinformation and false facts like a brainwashed member of the Armenian "genocide" industry.
I reveal emotions? Of course, anyone would have emotions when someone is lying about another people’s history and spreading false propaganda that they googled on the internet. I have no emotions for Turkey itself, I don’t like their government or their systems, but I do have emotions for historical accuracy and I know the Turks are not bad people as you make them out to be.
The International Association of Genocide Scholars is an organization that receives funding from the Armenian organizations. In addition, their president, vice president, and their members are all Politicians, Lawyers, and Psychologists.
The International Association of Genocide Scholars do not have any historians. They even hide their member list, because they know it’s very short and small.
Israel Charny is a famous activist for Armenians, and a psychologist (like as if being a psychologist makes them an expert in genocide), and he use to be their president.
In the 1890s, the Armenian Revolutionary Federation, the Hunchak Socialist Party, and the Armenekan Party were created. They were all rebel separatist parties, and they were all slaughtering Turks in order to provoke massacres and get the world powers’ attention to free Armenia. There is considerable evidence of their plans to create a free Armenia before the Hamidian events in 1894-95. So again, thanks for proving to me you don’t know history.
Hamidian events were not massacres. It was the Kurds who were massacring each other in war. Kurds killing Kurds from other tribes, and they were also killing Armenians because they know had a lot more power, because Sultan AbdulHamid II gave them a title and distributed weapons, after Russia demanded Armenians receive more rights and freedoms, Sultan AbdulHamid responded with giving the Kurds a title ‘hamidiye’, because he was worried about people declaring independence in that region.
His worries were not unfounded, because they did eventually declare independence. He didn’t order any killings though. The Kurds were killing everyone, including Turks. That’s why Armenians do not call the "Hamidian Massacres" another genocide, they can only omit the details that Hamidiye Kurds killed everyone, they just tell you that they killed Armenians.
Peter Balakian, an Armenian who is a well known honorary member of the International Association of Genocide Scholars writes all the papers about the Armenian Genocide for them. Peter Balakian graduated with a degree on American Civilization and English. He is the head of the "Creative Department" in his university, a fiction writer.
So, for you to claim the International Association of Self-proclaimed Genocide Scholars is a valid organization or credible at all, means you know nothing about the organization.