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		<title>By: mike kirwan</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/08/08/georgia-and-russia-where-is-nato/#comment-64123</link>
		<dc:creator>mike kirwan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it is all sad for everyone We will all pay a price if not economically then psycologically</description>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one waged genocide against the Ossetians. Claiming so, means you don't have any knowledge of what genocide even means.

Considering that the South Ossetians are quite well and alive, even though since 1989 no one has come to their rescue, shows quite clearly that there was no genocide, and is most likely Russian propaganda.

Is it not probable then, that Georgia may not have even attacked South Ossetia, that we so ready accept as truth? What if it is propaganda as well? How do we know that Georgian troops were not directly provoked to shell the capital by Ossetian troops?

What I do know is. &lt;strong&gt;If Russia was simply trying to save the Ossetians from this alleged &#34;Georgian Oppression&#34; then why is it that Russia has to conquer basically all of Georgia?&lt;/strong&gt; Seems to me like that's just an inconvenient truth for Russia. 

No one in the world, can ever say, that Russia's Georgian invasion is a peacekeeping effort.&lt;strong&gt; It is as sly, dirty, and bad as when Saddam Hussein and Chemical Ali gassed the Kurds in Iraq.&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one waged genocide against the Ossetians. Claiming so, means you don&#8217;t have any knowledge of what genocide even means.</p>
<p>Considering that the South Ossetians are quite well and alive, even though since 1989 no one has come to their rescue, shows quite clearly that there was no genocide, and is most likely Russian propaganda.</p>
<p>Is it not probable then, that Georgia may not have even attacked South Ossetia, that we so ready accept as truth? What if it is propaganda as well? How do we know that Georgian troops were not directly provoked to shell the capital by Ossetian troops?</p>
<p>What I do know is. <strong>If Russia was simply trying to save the Ossetians from this alleged &quot;Georgian Oppression&quot; then why is it that Russia has to conquer basically all of Georgia?</strong> Seems to me like that&#8217;s just an inconvenient truth for Russia. </p>
<p>No one in the world, can ever say, that Russia&#8217;s Georgian invasion is a peacekeeping effort.<strong> It is as sly, dirty, and bad as when Saddam Hussein and Chemical Ali gassed the Kurds in Iraq.</strong></p>
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		<title>By: THE ARE NOT</title>
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		<dc:creator>THE ARE NOT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TheAre,  you need to remember that all of the Russians living in Georgia were sent there during the Soviet era.  Therefore Georgia has already been to subjected to  60 +  years of occupation and the genocide that came with the Soviets.   Russia has ambition to be a super-power again and the sooner we recognize the fact and start taking action the less we will have to pay.   How much did Ronald Regan and the previous administrations before him have to spend to fight off the advancement of communism.   We were right to help Georgia and the former occupied countries and Europe and the United States need to act now.  </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TheAre,  you need to remember that all of the Russians living in Georgia were sent there during the Soviet era.  Therefore Georgia has already been to subjected to  60 +  years of occupation and the genocide that came with the Soviets.   Russia has ambition to be a super-power again and the sooner we recognize the fact and start taking action the less we will have to pay.   How much did Ronald Regan and the previous administrations before him have to spend to fight off the advancement of communism.   We were right to help Georgia and the former occupied countries and Europe and the United States need to act now.  </p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:54:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It looks like Russia has trumped the West and Bush is swallowing this bitter pill meekly.     Georgia is now suffering and could in all possibility end up under the Russian boot. This will create a contiguous Russian front on Nato's eastern flank linking up with Armenia, a country that never left the orbit of Russia (the Russian military control Armenia's border with Turkey. Their armour patrol the border openly).    The US has been confronted by Russia openly and the US has blinked.     Apart from the shame of virtually abandoning a staunch ally, the US has effectively made an ignominious retreat in the face of  Russian aggression.     Where will the next challenge come from? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks like Russia has trumped the West and Bush is swallowing this bitter pill meekly.     Georgia is now suffering and could in all possibility end up under the Russian boot. This will create a contiguous Russian front on Nato&#8217;s eastern flank linking up with Armenia, a country that never left the orbit of Russia (the Russian military control Armenia&#8217;s border with Turkey. Their armour patrol the border openly).    The US has been confronted by Russia openly and the US has blinked.     Apart from the shame of virtually abandoning a staunch ally, the US has effectively made an ignominious retreat in the face of  Russian aggression.     Where will the next challenge come from? </p>
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		<title>By: Brandon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brandon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 17:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Go Georgia. Beat those damn Russians!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Go Georgia. Beat those damn Russians!</p>
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		<title>By: Zokhe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zokhe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Editor in Chief; your comment in #4 is the height of hypocrisy; &#34;not everyone can create countries for themselves.  It doesn't work like that.&#34;  Please tell me how this differs from Kosovo.  There, just as in Ossetia a country was created by an ethnic group that declared itself independent.  The only difference was that they were supported by the west.  Bullying of any country is wrong.  The west's bullying of Russia is even more wrong.  Trying to isolate piecemeal by incorporating all these eastern territories into NATO makes Russia very nervous.  Deservedly so.  When the former Soviet Union landed missiles in Cuba, WWIII almost broke out.  What is the difference now?  Imagine if Belgium threatened Holland with missiles.  It's too close for comfort.  Peace is the only solution and unfortunately people like you are the ones creating discomfort for other countries like Russia by militarizing countries just over their borders.  The West's hasn't been able to open up Russian markets the way their corporations would like; therefore have labeled Russia an enemy.  Propoganda such as your website don't deserve to be called a &#34;gazzette&#34;.ZZ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Editor in Chief; your comment in #4 is the height of hypocrisy; &quot;not everyone can create countries for themselves.  It doesn&#8217;t work like that.&quot;  Please tell me how this differs from Kosovo.  There, just as in Ossetia a country was created by an ethnic group that declared itself independent.  The only difference was that they were supported by the west.  Bullying of any country is wrong.  The west&#8217;s bullying of Russia is even more wrong.  Trying to isolate piecemeal by incorporating all these eastern territories into NATO makes Russia very nervous.  Deservedly so.  When the former Soviet Union landed missiles in Cuba, WWIII almost broke out.  What is the difference now?  Imagine if Belgium threatened Holland with missiles.  It&#8217;s too close for comfort.  Peace is the only solution and unfortunately people like you are the ones creating discomfort for other countries like Russia by militarizing countries just over their borders.  The West&#8217;s hasn&#8217;t been able to open up Russian markets the way their corporations would like; therefore have labeled Russia an enemy.  Propoganda such as your website don&#8217;t deserve to be called a &quot;gazzette&quot;.ZZ</p>
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		<title>By: Mazur</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/08/08/georgia-and-russia-where-is-nato/#comment-63642</link>
		<dc:creator>Mazur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#34;South Ossetia has no right to declare independence either, because it is not suffering under any Goergian authority.&#34; Oh, really? Have you heard about Mhedrioni? Those Georgian gangs who who waged a genocide in South Ossetia in early 90-s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_(1991?1992) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkhedrioni 
&#34;South Ossetia has 90% Russian citizens because Russia distributed passports to everyone in South Ossetia.&#34; 
There are so many Russian citizens in South Ossetia because Ossetians pretty well know what Georgian rule is all about (see Mkhedrioni). So they quite naturally had chosen not to be part of the state which supported genocide against them and take Russian passports instead of Georgian. 
&#34;1,500 GEORGIANS DIED, NOT Ossetians or Russians. Please use some logic when bombers and tanks of Russia enter, I highly doubt that Ossetians or Russians die.&#34; 
Your advice about logic you should use first. Current conflict started not by Russian tanks but when Georgian army unleashed offencive with heavy artillerry targeting the capital of S. Ossetia kiilling hundreds of Ossetian civilians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&quot;South Ossetia has no right to declare independence either, because it is not suffering under any Goergian authority.&quot; Oh, really? Have you heard about Mhedrioni? Those Georgian gangs who who waged a genocide in South Ossetia in early 90-s. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_South_Ossetia_</a>(1991?1992) <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkhedrioni" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mkhedrioni</a><br />
&quot;South Ossetia has 90% Russian citizens because Russia distributed passports to everyone in South Ossetia.&quot;<br />
There are so many Russian citizens in South Ossetia because Ossetians pretty well know what Georgian rule is all about (see Mkhedrioni). So they quite naturally had chosen not to be part of the state which supported genocide against them and take Russian passports instead of Georgian.<br />
&quot;1,500 GEORGIANS DIED, NOT Ossetians or Russians. Please use some logic when bombers and tanks of Russia enter, I highly doubt that Ossetians or Russians die.&quot;<br />
Your advice about logic you should use first. Current conflict started not by Russian tanks but when Georgian army unleashed offencive with heavy artillerry targeting the capital of S. Ossetia kiilling hundreds of Ossetian civilians.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan Wilson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jonathan Wilson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:30:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Anti-War mongering is just as bad as war-mongering.
2) Stop with the OIL conspiracies.
3) Russia has no right to invade Georgia, and it has no right to ask for South Ossetia's independence. South Ossetia has no right to declare independence either, because it is not suffering under any Goergian authority. Just because they have their own language or believe they are a different ethnicity doesn't make a difference. If we were to use such ideas, then the United States should be divided into 80 nations. You never divide nations by ethnicity, national origin, or language, unless they are suffering oppression or violence under their current administration. 
4) South Ossetia has 90% Russian citizens because Russia distributed passports to everyone in South Ossetia. South Ossetia is FILLED WITH GEORGIANS AND OSSETIANS not Russians.
5) 1,500 GEORGIANS DIED, NOT Ossetians or Russians. Please use some logic when bombers and tanks of Russia enter, I highly doubt that Ossetians or Russians die. 
6) Russia has been amassing troops on the border of Georgia for months before this event. There is no reason for Georgia to aggravate an already aggressive Russia, and therefore, you cannot make the argument &#34;well Georgia brought it on themselves&#34; because they didn't, it was all Russia.
7) NATO is not a bully, NATO is a caring mother that doesn't know how to punish any children except to quietly ask them to stop. NATO is powerless not a bully. A real bully is actually Russia, who goes around bossing central asian and caucus nations, while at the same time blaming other nations for their problems, and while at the same time oppressing their own people since World War One. It has become a tradition in Russia to oppress others.
8) &#34;Russia is no more in the 90s’ it has emerged and is emerging, and the military expenditure is very different since Russian weapons cost far less than America once but are of equal effectiveness.&#34;... Welcome to our blog, comrade. Looks like our resident Russian nationalists are popping up everywhere.
9) NATO and the United States should do something. Not threaten Russia, because they will call it a bluff and keep doing what they are doing because Russia is a bully who will not stop unless someone stands up to them. NATO and the United States need to send a clear message, and enact an &lt;strong&gt;EMBARGO ON RUSSIA&lt;/strong&gt; rather than maybe military action. There are loads of punishments to Russia, boycotts would ruin Russia as well.
10) Two wrongs don't make a right. And especially Russia has no right to ask for anyone's independence, and especially Russia has no right to invade a sovreign nation for &#34;peacekeeping&#34; considering Russia is the most war-mongering nation in the planet. Especially Russia does not have the right to talk about South Ossetia because they are the ones who attack Chechan separatists and terrorists, and they are the ones who get angry when nations try to move away from Russian influence. Especially Russia does not have a right to do any of this, because they are the ones that fund terrorism in countries they find as a threat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Anti-War mongering is just as bad as war-mongering.<br />
2) Stop with the OIL conspiracies.<br />
3) Russia has no right to invade Georgia, and it has no right to ask for South Ossetia&#8217;s independence. South Ossetia has no right to declare independence either, because it is not suffering under any Goergian authority. Just because they have their own language or believe they are a different ethnicity doesn&#8217;t make a difference. If we were to use such ideas, then the United States should be divided into 80 nations. You never divide nations by ethnicity, national origin, or language, unless they are suffering oppression or violence under their current administration.<br />
4) South Ossetia has 90% Russian citizens because Russia distributed passports to everyone in South Ossetia. South Ossetia is FILLED WITH GEORGIANS AND OSSETIANS not Russians.<br />
5) 1,500 GEORGIANS DIED, NOT Ossetians or Russians. Please use some logic when bombers and tanks of Russia enter, I highly doubt that Ossetians or Russians die.<br />
6) Russia has been amassing troops on the border of Georgia for months before this event. There is no reason for Georgia to aggravate an already aggressive Russia, and therefore, you cannot make the argument &quot;well Georgia brought it on themselves&quot; because they didn&#8217;t, it was all Russia.<br />
7) NATO is not a bully, NATO is a caring mother that doesn&#8217;t know how to punish any children except to quietly ask them to stop. NATO is powerless not a bully. A real bully is actually Russia, who goes around bossing central asian and caucus nations, while at the same time blaming other nations for their problems, and while at the same time oppressing their own people since World War One. It has become a tradition in Russia to oppress others.<br />
 <img src='http://www.poligazette.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_cool.gif' alt='8)' class='wp-smiley' /> &quot;Russia is no more in the 90s’ it has emerged and is emerging, and the military expenditure is very different since Russian weapons cost far less than America once but are of equal effectiveness.&quot;&#8230; Welcome to our blog, comrade. Looks like our resident Russian nationalists are popping up everywhere.<br />
9) NATO and the United States should do something. Not threaten Russia, because they will call it a bluff and keep doing what they are doing because Russia is a bully who will not stop unless someone stands up to them. NATO and the United States need to send a clear message, and enact an <strong>EMBARGO ON RUSSIA</strong> rather than maybe military action. There are loads of punishments to Russia, boycotts would ruin Russia as well.<br />
10) Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right. And especially Russia has no right to ask for anyone&#8217;s independence, and especially Russia has no right to invade a sovreign nation for &quot;peacekeeping&quot; considering Russia is the most war-mongering nation in the planet. Especially Russia does not have the right to talk about South Ossetia because they are the ones who attack Chechan separatists and terrorists, and they are the ones who get angry when nations try to move away from Russian influence. Especially Russia does not have a right to do any of this, because they are the ones that fund terrorism in countries they find as a threat.</p>
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		<title>By: R</title>
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		<dc:creator>R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 11:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug Muir at A Fistful of Euros says Georgia made a serious miscalculation in sending troops into South Ossetia:

http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/south-ossetia-alea-jacta-est/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug Muir at A Fistful of Euros says Georgia made a serious miscalculation in sending troops into South Ossetia:</p>
<p><a href="http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/south-ossetia-alea-jacta-est/" rel="nofollow">http://fistfulofeuros.net/afoe/europe-and-the-world/south-ossetia-alea-jacta-est/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 09:17:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"more than 1,000 Georgians have died in South Ossetia. The Russians have only lost ten lives" --- correction 1400 South Ossetians... 90% of Russian Origin and passport holders! Get you facts correct first, without creating a skewed image!

"TheAre: not everyone can just start creating countries for themselves. It does not quite work like that" you mean like Kosovo??? This shows how unbiased you article is LOL!

One more fact bro... NATO will not go on a direct collision course with Russia since Russia is not a push over. NATO is only a bully, will bully the weak but will run tail tucked up the rare end when met with equal opposition. 

Russia is no more in the 90s' it has emerged and is emerging, and the military expenditure is very different since Russian weapons cost far less than America once but are of equal effectiveness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;more than 1,000 Georgians have died in South Ossetia. The Russians have only lost ten lives&#8221; &#8212; correction 1400 South Ossetians&#8230; 90% of Russian Origin and passport holders! Get you facts correct first, without creating a skewed image!</p>
<p>&#8220;TheAre: not everyone can just start creating countries for themselves. It does not quite work like that&#8221; you mean like Kosovo??? This shows how unbiased you article is LOL!</p>
<p>One more fact bro&#8230; NATO will not go on a direct collision course with Russia since Russia is not a push over. NATO is only a bully, will bully the weak but will run tail tucked up the rare end when met with equal opposition. </p>
<p>Russia is no more in the 90s&#8217; it has emerged and is emerging, and the military expenditure is very different since Russian weapons cost far less than America once but are of equal effectiveness.</p>
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