@ Dylan

The Islamic COnference is probably bigger than OSCE but the level of cooperation between the states is very low…

I’m from Indonesia, and we never know what membership in OIC brings.

Yes, the Western World is really in for some surprises when the effect of the Ignorant Vote-Hungry politicians is removed from the equation and when the self-proclaimed Genocide "Scholars" are exposed for the flakes and hacks that many of them really are! The temptation has proven all to strong for a significant number of these individuals who see a life of relative ignominy as the alternative, to prostitute their talents and qualifications to the greed and ambition of the powerful Armenian Propagandists who extend an open offer of a "reputation" and "standing" to any taker who will lend some measure of validation to their deceitful lies!

Whopppyyy! That famous word "Deniers" came up again! How uncreative and predictable your comments have become. Come onnnn people!!! come up with more creative ways to push your agenda… What a bore….. 

Turkey should think wisely before distributing baklava after each event like this! look to the big picture, Obama is coming to the White House next year, and the Turkish position among the Europeans is weakening every time the Armenian Genocide denial floats on surface. A joint historian commission that the Turks are calling for a while is not going to add any value to the tenths of archives which are already open and clearly identifies the Armenian killing as a ‘Genocide’.

The reason? Simple. Lands and money.
That’s right.

"Dear compatriots, against Turkey, we will continue to organize ourselves. We will organize so as to be better prepared to mobilize.  We will mobilize to better acheive our goals and gains.  Not only for the recognition of the genocide, but also for the construction of a free, independent and reunified Armenia, so that all together we can again take posession of Van, Much, Kars, Sassun, Bitlis and Erzurum." 
Mourad Papazian, chief of the Armenian Revolutionary Federation for Western Europe, speech in Marseille, April 24, 2006 (http://www.turquieeuropeenne.eu/spip.php?page=print&id_article=1261).

"The 18th General Assembly of the Social Democratic Hunchakian Party was held during the last weeks of November in Larnaka, Cyprus. 52 delegates representing 12 adherent part regions participated along with the outgoing Central Executive Board.
[...]
The Assembly reaffirmed the traditional positions of the S. D. Hunchakian Party regarding the Armenian Cause and territorial demands."
http://www.hunchak.org.au/aboutus/historical_Declaration2005.html

See also:

http://setasarmenian.blogspot.com/2007/12/armenians-demand-justice-not.html

Enlevez votre masque, le faux Dussardier, on vous a reconnu.

To the readers: do not pay attention to this post.

Hitler never said "Armenians"
Indeed: http://www.ataa.org/reference/hitler-lowry.html

the massacres committed by the French to the Algerians
1) Please do not use the word "the" (the French people was not the French army, and the French massacrors were not the French army).
2) This massacres are not forgotten, and since some years, there exist a little "genocide fanfare" about this, with some pro-Armenian activists. It’s not a surprise, because Soviet propaganda used the atrocities of Algerian war like the events of 1915-1916 and like the Vietnam war.
3) If there are forgotten massacres in Algeria, there are the massacres by the FLN, against French civilans and against moderate separatists (MNA) during the Algerian war (1954-1962); and by the Algerian bands during the XIXth century (until Abd-el-Kader, this bands taked no prisonners: all ennemy captured was killed).

Suggestion of reading to the French-speakers: Daniel Lefeuvre, Pour en finir avec la repentance coloniale, Paris, Flammarion, 2006, new edition, 2008. The commonalities and even the common activists (like Gilles Manceron) between the genocide fanfare and the "algerian fanfare" are very intersting.

We always thought that Armenians not opening their archives has something to do with, something they are hiding,and yes they were the ones strated kiling the Turks first with rebel group called Thaslanaklar,they find Ottoman empire weak after the frist WW and sided with Russians to gain their own province and simply started killing their neighbors ,which they have lived with (Turks)for 100’s of years and now, after seen Jews getting bunch of money (rightfully so )from Germans and Swiss,they wanted to do the same forthemselves by crying foul, and spreading this BIG LIE, unfortunately many countries bought this LIE,or wanted to use it as a political leverage aginst Turks, and saga goes on,dude It is a Big lie,and maybe 100,000 died in the jeurney to Syria,l am sure it was not good but in war anything can happen,thats why we should not have wars,right?

Lucrece; without blasting France, it has to be pointed out that the French army committed some horrible crimes in its colonies. That’s well known, and well documented.
I did say the opposite. I have not forgotten the massacres of Sétif and Guelma, the enfumades of General Bugeaud, the Indochinian atrocities, etc."If France can remain in Indochina only with cutting heads and maintaining a regime of terror and force, it is better we go. (Si la France ne peut rester en Indochine qu’en y coupant des têtes et en y maintenant un régime de terreur et de force, il vaut mieux nous en aller.)" (Marius Moutet, socialist deputy, 1930).
I said that some so-called scholars had used of false arguments and false statistics about this sad events. The conquest war of Algeria was bloody and barbarious, but it was never an attempt of extermination of Algerians, and the atrocities were never committed by one side. The same comments could be made for the war of 1954-1962, all the more since this conflict reached never the level of violence (in both sides) of the nineteenth century.

My point is: Because the International community is only zooming into the events of 1915 and describing it as "genocide", the Armenian Diaspora is using this to their advantage. They are claiming that everybody is on their side. However, the reality is all nations whether European, Ottoman, American, Chinese, Japanese etc have a shady past. Including the Armenians themselves. I am directing my comments to "dussadier" and his like minded colleagues. They are getting a free ride on the European/USA "sympathy" for too long. This needs to be addressed as well. This one sided view needs to be disassembled. I am sorry but the French (government) are the worst of the bunch… and Lucrece, I am not excited I can assure you….. 

Yet again thanks to Mr Van Der Galien previously of the Gallien gazette. A biast article with regard to the Armenian Genocie issue. Mr Gallien who freely admits his love for Turkey, seems to have not grown up yet, how old are you now Mr. Gallien all of 24. How sad that you are still trying to brainwash (like the Turkish Nationalists) readers to your point of view. There is ample information on the Genocide. One thing you never have answered is why was 90% of the Christian assyrian population killed - what threat did they pose to the Young Turks? Genocide is Genocide there are no mitigating circumstances. Historians have discused the issue and like the Chairman of the Institute of Turkish Studies (who ws forced to resign by the Turkish governent) have concluded it was Genocide - Turkey and Mr. Gallien should grow up accept it and move on.

Victor, what does age have anything to do with this conversation? Are you telling me the Armenian youth younger then 24 do not know anything? Because you seem to think that age is some criteria for knowledge… If so… GREAT! I think just like you do…!  The younger generation of the Armenian diaspora is brainwashed and have no clue of their history and culture… 

I have forgotten this Western source about Armenian atrocities:

http://louisville.edu/a-s/history/turks/Niles_and_Sutherland.pdf

This post is my post, monsieur 24avril1915, alias Imprescriptible. Je vous ai reconnu, votre style est reconnaissable entre mille (et votre anglais, encore pire que le mien).

J’ai toujours eu une préférence pour 24avril1915, ce doit être ma formation d’historien qui me fait apprécier instinctivement les dates, même manipulées.Je n’ai aucun mérite, votre style est aussi reconnaissable que… le mien.Si vous voulez me remercier, je vous prie, ne vous gênez surtout pas. Si vous voulez m’envoyer des fleurs, en prime, dites-le. Sans explosifs, par contre, les fleurs, parce que ça gâche les bouquets, à mon avis.
Je suggère nous arrêter là, parce que notre aubergiste (Michael van der Galiën) risque de ne pas apprécier ce dialogue franco-français.

This issue has nothing to do with the age of Michael van der Galien, nor with the name change of this blog, nor with his love for Turkey. Furthermore, efforts to expose the Lies of Armenian Propagandists do not constitute “brainwashing”. Such comments only demonstrate desperation, immaturity, and weakness on the part of the accuser. They are often deleted and should be in my view as they constitute an abuse of this forum. As I understand, this forum is not for leveling childish insults at the author. If you have something to contribute here you are most welcome to do it and you are especially welcome if you feel that your argument disproves the author’s arguments. But individuals who just want to throw insults at the authors and/or moderators should be blocked in my view. Serious issues are being discussed here – issues that affect the lives of millions of people everyday around the world.  We constantly see this behavior from Armenian Propagandists of ad-hominem attacks on their ideological opponents; it should not be tolerated, in my view. 

this  act   of     political  prostitution consist in dnying armenian genocide which  constitute a shame on the notoriety of the organization(OCSE).Turkey try to manipulate public opinion or by paying  high salary   to   so-called historians -lewis,mc charty or n.stone.Lost time-lost money.Evrybody nows that holocaust of the armenians   has taken place during 1915  in Anatolia and Western Armenia situated now in turkey.The word holocaust has been used for the first time in the case of Armenia in 1896 by american newspapers such  New York time and others during the massacres  of  Sasun’s Armenians under Abdul hamid reign- called (red sultan).Occupation and islamisation of Western Armenia resulted  in 1915 genocide  ( with cultural genocide) more than 3000 armenian churches destroyed by muslims turks or kurds which constitute crime against humanity.So that dishonest resolution has much more to do with geopolitical considerations  of Turkey  than with historical reality of Armenian genocide.In one case  armenian-turkish commision can meet when turks recognize the genocide , financial compensation,and the return of Western Armenia "which is under turkish occupation" to armenian people.The turks live in a world of dream it’s hard to wake up of sweet dream when they will be obliged  by Taner Akcam a turkish historian who teach armenian genocide  in USA and canada it will be harder than now.

Nota: AGBU is a branch of Ramkavar Party (conservative nationalists).

http://www15.dht.dk/~2westh/rigafm.html

François Rigaux Awarded AGBU Garbis Papazian Prize

Brussels, Feb. 13 (ANN/Groong) - The AGBU presented its 1999 Garbis Papazian prize to eminent jurist and scholar François Rigaux on Saturday, in a ceremony at the Brussels Conrad Hotel.

The Garbis Papazian prize, whose previous recipients include Baroness Caroline Cox, Dr. Tessa Hoffmann and Dr. Yves Ternon, is awarded yearly to individuals who have made a remarkable contribution to Armenian causes of all kinds. Prof. Rigaux, who teaches law at the Catholic University of Louvain-la-Neuve, presided over the Permanent People’s Tribunal when it recognised the Armenian Genocide as one of this century’s first major crimes against humanity, in April 1984. Composed of 13 prominent intellectuals, scientists and jurists (among whom several Nobel-prize recipients), the Tribunal condemned the Young Turkish government of 1915 for having masterminded the extermination of Turkey’s Armenian minority. It called upon the contemporary Republic of Turkey to assume full responsibility for the actions of its predecessor state.

Mr. Viguen Tchitechian, Armenia’s ambassador to Belgium, and Mr. Edouard Jakhian, member of the AGBU Central Board, thanked Prof. Rigaux on behalf of the Armenians, for his unrelenting dedication to historical justice. The prize was subsequently presented jointly by Mrs. Louise Manoogian-Simone, Chairwoman of the AGBU, and Mr. Garbis Papazian. Prof. Rigaux expressed his gratitude at having been awarded the prize, calling upon the Armenians to continue their quest for recognition as a major contribution to international equity. A congratulatory letter from His Holiness Karekin I, Catholicos of All Armenians, was finally read by His Eminence Archbishop Kud Nakashian of Paris.

The Turkish claims for massacres committed by the Armenian rebillions is only mentioned in the Ottoman archives  to justify the war crimes committed by the Turks during WWI. Most of biased readers here think that the killing of the Armenians started in 1915 after the Armenians decided to join the Russians during the war. Wrong! the reality is that the killing of the Armenians and other ethnic Christians started decades before that during the era of Sulatn Abdul Hamid.  For all the Turks writing on this page, you should not defend the crimes that your grandfathers did 100 years ago. But, read the history rationally just like the Germans read their modern history without sympathy to Hitler. If the Turks want to be part of Europe, they should bravely face their past and reconcile with their own nation (Kurds and others) and neighbours. The Ottoman mentality does not help the Turks to gain respect.

Bigger the LIE and more often been said you belive it, Armenians are a Big liars,since they are christians sorth of speak west chose to go with it
IT IS THE BIGGEST LIE OF OUR MODERN HISTORY,There was NO so Called Genocide thats why Armenians would not open their books,there is no trial without evidence ,and get over it and stop making cliams to Turkish land,it would be disester for Armenians,and just 15 years ago Armenians Massacered 1000’s of Azeri people,it was condem by United Nations,just 15 years ago,Armenians are good of masscering women and children who are defensless ,which they done to Turks in 1914

I Agree with Alexander and Matthew and whole hardedly with Lucrece.
There was killing and first Armenians strated the killing women and children while their dads and uncles were in the front fighting the war with British-Greeks_French and Italians
there were no strong man to protect the Turks from this Armenian murderers,terrorists who burned muslim people in their Musques,
Armenians formed their unity by hating the Turks,it is the only thing unites them,passing this hatred to their young kids,what a shame for a such a great people with good history of art and sience
they are making their  kids hate reather than love
shame on them,I been in Turkey and l studied their history they are no worse than any other including, ours, here in USA

The Turkish claims for massacres committed by the Armenian rebillions is only mentioned in the Ottoman archives  to justify the war crimes committed by the Turks during WWI.
1) Assert that Ottoman documents were written for jusitfy crimes is a logical aberration.

2) Many Russian and Western sources corroborate a part of the Ottoman sources. Turcs et Arméniens devant l’histoire and Documents relatifs aux atrocités commises par les Arméniens sur la population musulmane include Russian documents. Turkish historian Azmi Süslü has compiled and translated many Russian documents: Russian View on the Armenian Atrocities Against the Turks, Ankara, 1991. I have indicated the link for the Niles-Sutherland report. A quotation of this important source:

"In the entire region from Bitlis through Van to Bayezit, we were informed that the damage and destruction had been done by the Armenians, who, after the Russians retired, remained in occupation of the country and who, when the Turkish army advanced, destroyed everything belonging to the Musulmans. Moreover, the Armenians are accused of having committed murder, rape, arson and horrible atrocities of every description upon the Musulman population. At first, we were most incredulous of these stories, but we finally came to believe them, since the testimony was absolutely unanimous and was corroborated by material evidence. For instance, the only quarters left at all intact in the cities of Bitlis and Van are Armenian quarters… while the Musulman quarters were completely destroyed."

The reports of American major James G. Harbord and of the British major E. W. C. Nobel (quoted in Guenter Lewy’s book, pp. 118-119) conclude that the was no particular differences between the Muslims atrocities against Armenians and the Armenian atrocities against Muslims. Harold Armstron, British military attaché in Istanbul has the same conclusion in his book Turkey in Travail: The Birth of a Nation, London, John Lane/Bodlay Head, 1925, p. 223.

Wrong! the reality is that the killing of the Armenians and other ethnic Christians started decades before that during the era of Sulatn Abdul Hamid. 
The Armenian rebellions, terrorist acts and other crimes began in 1862, with the Zeytun rebellion, as explain very good the Armenian-American historian Louise Nalbandian (RIP) in The Armenian Revolutionary Movement, Berkeley/Los Angeles, University of California Press, 1963. Ms. Nalbandian clarifies that this violent acts are not just "self-defense", but, at least for a part, agressive acts and provocations.

The Armenians claim that the ‘international scholars of genocide’ support the Armenian thesis, so whoever disagrees with ‘the occurrence of a so-called Armenian genocide’ is unreliable and is definitely hired by the Turkish government. I think, only the following two examples are enough to display the scientific and ethical reliability of the ‘independent’ scholars who support the Armenians in their various thesis: The cover photograph of the book of Tessa Hoffmann:  The Greek German scholar Tessa Hoffmann who supports the Armenian thesis  printed the painting of  Russian artist Vasili Vereshchagin entitled ‘The Apotheosis of the Franco-Prussia War of 1871, depicting a mass of skulls which is displayed in Russian Painting Gallery,  as if it were the photograph of 1915 Armenian genocide, in the cover of a pamphlet used to introduce a conference entitled ‘Der Volkermord and den Armenien vor Gericht (The Armenian Genocide on Trial). Tessa Hoffman had to admit her forgery during the trial of  Doğu Perinçek held in Switzerland in March 2007,  in which he was listened as a wittness.  Atatürk’s photograph: The large poster with ‘FACE OF DENIAL-DOES NOT LIE’ related to a conference given by Dr Vahram Shemmasian, Ardashes Kassakhian and Dr Levon Marashlian, at UCLA on April 14, 2005, organized by Armenian Genocide Commemoration Committee of Alpha Epsilon Omega, (http://www.genocideevents.com/cities/losangeles.html) was just a scandal:The photo depicted the founder of the Turkish Republic, Ataturk, sitting on a chair outside a house with the corpse of a young girl with her innards exposed to the elements. Soon, the original of this photo was found by the Turks: It was a photograph of Ataturk for his wife Latife Hanım as a souvenir, posing with some ‘cute dog puppies’ at his feet. Two photos were printed in the July 1, 2005 issue of Hurriyet (http://webarsiv.hurriyet.com.tr/2005/07/01/665930.asp), as ‘a forgery scandal’. It is another outstanding point that no dissenting comment was ever heard. What UCLA’s ethical committee did was to erase the handwritten note and doctor a photo of Armin Wengler in place of the puppies. This degree of base falsification and slandering must have suited the present status of UCLA, an institution of higher learning dominated by Armenophile scholars, and where Prof Stanford Shaw’s  home was bombed in 1977,  just because he did not support the Armenian thesis.

Even those who ( historans)  are being paid by Turkish governement admits the reality  of genocide.In the  case of dr Donald  Quartet who has been obliged to resign from the chair of turkish studies in 2006 in USA.He was the honorary president of the institute of turkish studies  financed by Turkish governement. After 15 years of study he arrived at the conclusion that massacres of armenians constitute a genocide case.This  honnest    position of Dr Quartet provoked the anger of denylist turkish state which forced Dr Quartet to resign.The new generation of turkish historians such Taner Akcam Fatma Gocek or Halil Berktay who recognize Armenian genocide are well  placed to teach to their compatriots the historical truth and to help them to face the  reality.Armenian-turkish joint commision could only define  financial and  terittorial loses of armenian people.

l:The photo depicted the founder of the Turkish Republic, Ataturk, sitting on a chair outside a house with the corpse of a young girl with her innards exposed to the elements.

Um, the diasporan Armenians juxtaposed those images to show the modern day Turkish indifference to the subject of the Armenian Genocide; I’m rather dumbfounded why you Turks would actually think that photo meant that Ataturk was somehow involved in the massacres of 1915 when everyone knows he was still commanding troops in the Dardanelles.

Talk about a non-victory, you guys actually bothered to "unmask" a poster that clearly had billed itself as a work of a Photoshop? - lol, I can now see why Turks are so afraid of the Armenian Diaspora.

those who are taking part to  that discussion are mainly denylist sites guided   by   turkish state.So we can ask some questions about the existence of such newspaper which so-called keep balance between denyers and historical truth.By doing that it  spreads misinformation about the historical truth of Genocide.Under the disguise of "opinions"if it does not promote policy of negation of Turkish state.

Now I want to ask Armenia and Armenian diaspora: ‘If all the scholars of the world, including the international scholars of genocide, support your thesis of genocide,and if you are very disturbed because of vehement reject of your genocide thesis by the Turkish government and the Turks, then: Why do you vehemently reject to bring your evidences in historical commissions made up of Armenian and Turkish historians in addition to historians from  third countries, as it was suggested to Armenia by the Turkish prime minister in 2005?Why do you not go to court?  Why HAVE YOU SPENT EFFORT TO FALSIFY ALL THE FOLLOWING DOCUMENTS? WHY HAVE YOU NEEDED LIES? Here are a few examples of the forgeries and falfified documents on which the Armenian thesis depend: 1)The number of Armenians who were relocated: The number of the Armenians who were relocated was reported as 600-700 thousand by Boğos Nubar Pasha who attended to the talks of Sevres Treaty as a chief of Armenians; however the number of relocated Armenians is giv