Comments on: PUMA Takes Over

By: Jason, Managing Editor

Jason, Managing Editor — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:47:05 +0000

Instead of uniting the party, this group - a very, very large group indeed - says “party unite my ass” (hence; Puma).

What is the evidence of its size? Paulbots proved that number of comments doesn’t indicate a large group size, right?

At the end of the day, ideology will trump. I think the "PUMA" phenomenon might peel away some of the few conservative Democrats that remain after the MoveOn purges of the past few years (especially given McCain’s relative moderation on many issues), but after the attack machine gets done with him, most Democrats will have been made to believe that McCain is two steps to the right of Hitler and, even worse, approaching George W. Bush in his level of evil, so such people will likely hold their nose and vote Obama anyway. After all, the kind of emotionaly over-reactive people who embrace the "PUMA" tantrum (let’s call it what it is, an "our candidate didn’t win….WAAAAAHHHHHH!" tantrum) and who read and write the blogs you reference aren’t known for their critical thinking skills (how long has it been since Larry Johnson guaranteed the existence of that "whitey" tape again????).

By: Claudia, Assistant Editor

Claudia, Assistant Editor — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:47:29 +0000

Ugh, now that I had promised I’d ignore the PUMAs because I had arrived at the conclusion that their leaders are frauds and their followers are either duped or insane or both, but now I’ve got to make a whole post on the subject of why this group is not credible on virtually any level.

I can’t spend the time to fully describe the matter here, but suffice it to say that the leaders lie every time they open their mouths (they claimed to have raised millions for Clinton only to have to admit they’d raised about $50,000), while they say they are a "very very very large group" they have thusfar shown very little actual evidence outside web traffic (which anyone who has observed Ron Paul knows is not indicative of wide support). They couldn’t even get 250 people to show for a conference, and though I don’t doubt that they’ll get 100-150 people to scream obscenities in Denver, that doesn’t represent a groundswell of support (you couldn’t get 150 skinheads in a pinch?).

More later on the subject.

By: Elli

Elli — Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:13:43 +0000

Please remember that Hillary Clinton has endorsed Barack Obama for President. Senator Clinton has stated that the differences between her and Sen. Obama are more style than substance. She expects to work with a President Obama to end this horrific era of wars, to preserve women’s rights particularly related to their bodies and livelihoods, and towards universal health insurance. Clearly, the white haired dude will be a major obstacle to any of these and other ideals, and will shut out Sen. Clinton’s views 1000%

By: Gina

Gina — Sun, 27 Jul 2008 20:47:42 +0000

THE PUMAS ARE TOTALLY JUSTIFIED … 1. Contrary to what Obamabots say … Obama and Hillary were in a dead heat, when the DNC pressured Hillary into not only conceding, but campaigning for Obama. 2. Obama is once again in a dead heat, but now with McCain, even though Obamabots act like Obama has already won (like they did in the primaries against Hillary). So, this means that half of the Democrats, and all the Republicans (3/4 of America) dIdn’t want Obama. Plus, he didn’t even win the popular vote, and refused a revote in Michigan and Florida. 3. Obama has the thinnest resume in politics, and he won state legislature and Senator by disqualifications of his opponents, not by earned experience, or votes. 4. Obama’s one claim to fame is being a community organizer, where he boasts of registering voters. Then he took their votes away from them, by disqualifying his opponents on technicalities, prior to the election. 5. Obama’s mentor of 20 years, was an anti-American racist … not to mention other unsavory associations. 6. Obama is simply buying the election, since he’s good at fund raising … hardly a qualification to be President of the United States. 7. The media never vetted Obama, and they are giving him a free ride, plus more than twice the print and air time as McCain, as they did against Hillary. 8. 90% of blacks are voting for Obama, because he is black, while the campaign gained ground by accusing most opponents of racism. 9. Obamabots were, and are extremely nasty and sarcastic towards Hillary supporters, as well as McCain supporters. 10. Pumas should be applauded for putting country before party … especially a party that did not represent them, and a party which highjacked the nomination for Obama.

By: RRRocks

RRRocks — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 13:09:30 +0000

Perhaps what many who dont get the puma anger fail to understand is how they believe that the election was stolen from Hillary Clinton and put into Mr. Obamas lap by Republican crossover voters who may or may not vote for him in November.

In the early campaigning with the total lack of enthuasim for their own candidates GOP’ers began crossing over to do the one thing they vowed to do. Prevent Hillary from entering the White House ever again. Many guesses is that Obama’s delegates are as much as 10 percent larger then they would have been had these GOP’ers not crossed over.

Thus take away the 10 percent of Obama’s popular vote, Delegate count and hand it to Hillary and you have Hillary as the nominee.

In fairness once the Delegate count and popular vote was firmly in Obama’s hands then the GOP’ers showed less inclination to vote for Obama and in fact started voting for Hillary to prolong the contest. Thus giving her an increase of perhaps 8-10 percent in Votes and Delegates. However by this time the Senator had built up momentum and the Superdelegates rather then looking at what was happening decided to flock to Obama.

In essennce the election was stolen from Hillary and her supporters……….ACCORDING TO THEM………..by the GOP crossovers who may or may not vote for Obama in the fall. It is this one thing more then any other that angers them. Imagine how you would feel as an Obama supporter if the Democrats concluded yes this is true and gave the nomination to HILLARY right now.

You would be furious and it would be very hard to stomach voting for Hillary. That is essentially what is fueling those who refuse to crossover to Obama. I believe it is about 5-7 percent of the Democratic party. As a result I think its why Obama only has a 3-6 percent lead instead of a 20 point lead over McCain.

Personally I think all these polls are skewed with PUMA types claiming to vote for McCain but come November I doubt they will vote for McCain and will in fact vote for Obama or stay home. Either way Obama is our next president.

By: steve at High Ridge

steve at High Ridge — Sat, 19 Jul 2008 11:53:40 +0000

Thank god for PUMA and the angry cat snarl. Obama proudly refers to himself as a Community Organizer. What is a Community Organizer? I could never get an answer. So I changed my question: who is a Community Organizer. The answer came easy: Al Sharpton. Al Sharpton is a Community Organizer. I no want no Community Organizer no way to be my president. Maybe Reverand Wright can help me pray for nobama in November.

By: Grace

Grace — Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:10:17 +0000

I’ve got to say, I don’t get it. I don’t get how these PUMA types are so ready to chop off their own noses. Admittedly, I skew out of the age group — this is only my third presidential election — but I’m also a woman in the workforce who’s held a fair number of management positions and experienced the glass ceiling phenomena. Yeah, it’d be nice to have a woman in the Oval Office, but I didn’t think this woman was the right one. I thought there was a better choice. It’s somewhat stunning to me that this splinter group have decided to blame Obama for pretty much everything that didn’t go their way. Florida and Michigan, a decision handed down while Hillary was the clear frontrunner – rigged for Obama. Caucases, which the Clinton camp basically ignored – Obama cheated! Bill Clinton saying something damn stupid – somehow, Obama’s on the hook for that one as well, his people “played the race card”. He’s to blame for Hillary “misstating” Bosnian sniper fire as well, though I can’t quite figure out how, he just IS. The media’s misogyny – well, Obama should’ve come out and made a speech about that. The former Hillary supporters are pissed: fine. But they’re ticked about a host of things, sourcing back to all sorts of people, and it’s bizarre that they’ve chosen to land it all at Obama’s feet. The overwhelming feeling seems to be that they’re pissed the frontrunner woman didn’t get the nom, and while I get that, I don’t get how you respond to that disappointment by voting for the guy who wants to restrict abortion and continue these bellicose Middle Eastern wars! Maybe all of the “long-time Dem voters” just want the chance to do something big and flashy, to prove that their votes count after years of being trounced by Republicans. To them I say: I’m 28. The gears of the next administration are going to be in prime position to run right over the years I intend to use to marry, start a family, buy a house, set myself up as a law-abiding and contributing American. It’s going to be tough enough during a recession with a colossal national debt – adding at least 4 years MORE of the policies that brought us to this position? It’s going to be very damaging to my generation. We’re already struggling. My parents are going to retire soon, and I need to be in place to support them. And you’re willing to throw in with the candidate who’s most likely to take all of that out at the knees. So no, I don’t believe that these PUMA types are truly pro-woman, or pro-family or really pro anyone but themselves. You are not hurting the Democratic party. You are hurting ME and the rest of my generation, and the worst bit is, I’m pretty sure you’re going to spin around if McCain wins and snarl “LOOK WHAT YOU MADE ME DO.”

By: Chevalier

Chevalier — Tue, 01 Jul 2008 12:31:26 +0000

Blatham, get a clue. I’ve been a life f-ing long Democrat, used to laugh at people who called themselves Republican. And I’m a PUMA now. Obama is to Hillary what Bush was to Gore, and he was propped up by a corrupt, unimaginative media (the same one that supported the Iraq war) and by a lifeless DNC (the same one that lost an election to George Bush, and the same one that passed the FISA last week). He’s an idiot, and as someone said on the Confluence, I’m not voting for McCain merely because he’s the lesser of two evils - I also believe Obama is the evil or two lessers.

By: blatham

blatham — Mon, 30 Jun 2008 14:55:43 +0000

Um…actually folks, given Rush’s "operation chaos" (where Republicans pretend to be Democrats to cause division and attempt to lift the electoral opportunities of the Republican candidate) your testimonials above ring a tad hollow.

And then if we take into account that ‘clintonsformccain.com’ was registered May 15 by The Republican National Committee (see register.com, whois lookup) this all gets rather more incredulous. We’ll note that a writer at Wired got wind of this registration, queried the RNC (who didn’t respond) then published a piece on it June 5. Coincidence of coincidences, the original site was never activated BUT on June 4, a second registration was made for ‘clintons4mccain.com’ but this time with the registrant’s identity hidden. The folks running this second site are, as most of you likely know, are also involved in organizing justsaynodeal.

By: sparkos

sparkos — Sun, 29 Jun 2008 17:03:27 +0000

I too was a lifelong Democrat of 40 yers who has left the party…actually I realized through the primary season that it indeed had left me…nothing there left to support of my convictions or ideals.