Relative Safety
At Power Line, John Hinderaker says that, contrary to Barack Obama’s repeated statements that the free world is less safe because of the Bush administration’s national security policies, the evidence indicates otherwise. Likewise, Fareed Zakaria writes at Newsweek that terrorist attacks are down by nearly two-thirds in the last 4 years. Are we in fact safer than Mr. Obama would have us believe?
the U.S.-based IntelCenter published a study in mid-2007 that examined "significant" attacks launched by Al Qaeda over the past 10 years. It came to the conclusion that the number of Islamist attacks had declined 65 percent from a high point in 2004, and fatalities from such attacks had declined by 90 percent.
The Simon Fraser study notes that the decline in terrorism appears to be caused by many factors, among them successful counterterrorism operations in dozens of countries and infighting among terror groups. But the most significant, in the study’s view, is the "extraordinary drop in support for Islamist terror organizations in the Muslim world over the past five years." These are largely self-inflicted wounds. The more people are exposed to the jihadists’ tactics and world view, the less they support them.
This last instinctively makes sense to me. If a bunch of Christian fascist killers from the church up the road from me started cutting the heads off of people I know, I’d take a dim view of them and their fallacious interpretation of Christianity. So it must inevitably be with Muslim terrorists, though I would submit that the threshold of rejection is significantly higher in Islamic societies than in free ones.
One problem I have with the data Zakaria uses as the basis for his article is, to him, the very point: "Including Iraq massively skews the analysis. In the NCTC and MIPT data, Iraq accounts for 80 percent of all deaths counted." Excluding it hides the fact that Islamic terrorism is killing significant numbers of Iraqis. Yet his point is valid. Outside of known war zones, we have been safer than just a few years ago.
Of course that may simply be an illusion. Terrorist leaders, for all of their mental shortcomings, are not stupid. Heightened alertness on our part will necessarily lead to fewer attacks while they bide their time, waiting for the inevitable decline in readiness. So is that readiness truly necessary?
Hinderaker speaks more directly to this point:
It should also be noted that the decline in attacks on the U.S. was not the result of jihadists abandoning the field. Our government stopped a number of incipient attacks and broke up several terrorist cells, while Islamic terrorists continued to carry out successful attacks around the world, in England, Spain, Russia, Pakistan, Israel, Indonesia and elsewhere.
There are a number of possible reasons why our government’s actions after September 11 may have made us safer. Overthrowing the Taliban and depriving al Qaeda of its training grounds in Afghanistan certainly impaired the effectiveness of that organization. Waterboarding three top al Qaeda leaders for a minute or so apiece may have given us the vital information we needed to head off plots in progress and to kill or apprehend three-quarters of al Qaeda’s leadership. The National Security Agency’s eavesdropping on international terrorist communications may have allowed us to identify and penetrate cells here in the U.S., as well as to identify and kill terrorists overseas. We may have penetrated al Qaeda’s communications network, perhaps through the mysterious Naeem Noor Khan, whose laptop may have been the 21st century equivalent of the Enigma machine. Al Qaeda’s announcement that Iraq is the central front in its war against the West, and its call for jihadis to find their way to Iraq to fight American troops, may have distracted the terrorists from attacks on the United States. The fact that al Qaeda loyalists gathered in Iraq, where they have been decimated by American and Iraqi troops, may have crippled their ability to launch attacks elsewhere. The conduct of al Qaeda in Iraq, which revealed that it is an organization of sociopaths, not freedom fighters, may have destroyed its credibility in the Islamic world.
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But based on the clear historical record, it is obvious that the Bush administration has done something since 2001 that has dramatically improved our security against such attacks. To fail to recognize this, and to rail against the Bush administration’s security policies as failures or worse, is to sow the seeds of greatly increased susceptibility to terrorist attack in the next administration.
The real question is whether we’d be safer with Barack Obama as president than we are with George W. Bush. Despite the fact that Americans dislike many of the administration’s policies and the Iraq war is almost universally accepted as a major blunder, the answer is still a clear and resounding "No!"










You seem very sure that we’d be less safe with Barack Obama. Is there some sort of evidence for this? Other than the fact he’s a Democrat, and they’ve been smeared by the Republicans for years as the ones who would bring on more attacks by terrorists/Communists/Martians (pick your evildoer of the day).
Michael,
And Democrats claim that Republicans are the ones who bring on more problems with terrorism, whats your point.
People just disagree on what policy best deals with terrorism.
Michael, it’s Obama making the assertion that he’d make us safer than we have been under the Bush administration, so the burden of proof is on him (not on Marc or any of the pundits he quoted for proving otherwise.) And what I can’t understand is why so many Democrats feel that it’s an unacceptable demagoguery for Bush and the GOP to have claimed to have improved our national security, but suddenly it’s not a problem for Obama to claim that he will make us safer? That’s the same politics of fear that’s been criticized since shortly after 9/11, but I guess the "they did it first" defense makes it OK for some people now when the Dems use this tactic.
It’s not demagoguery if it’s true.
C Stanley,
The "politics of fear" line is a joke when many opponents to Bush imply that citizens will be taken away by the CIA to be tortured for no reason, and that his policies are the beginning of a fascist state.
OTOH, I don’t think most Americans are really living ‘in fear’. People are taking policy positions on tough issues.
I completely agree, robo. It’s just even more hypocritical when the Dems are now using the same issue of terrorism to demagogue (before at least there was a distinction between their claims that the GOP fearmongered over terrorist attacks vs. their use of fearmongering about the reach of our own government.)
Now, apparently we’re to believe that only Obama can keep us safe from our own government as well as from terrorists- a double whammy!
C Stanley,
And then there are other issues this applies to also that have been discussed here before.
Democrats continue to imply Republicans win by hate directed towards gays, and divide the country.
Meanwhile, they talking about these Republicans wanting to establish a theocracy and implying gays will be put in jail.
Many people buy into that
Some even still believe that Evil Chimpy BushCo and Cheney McHalliburton are planning on cancelling the elections and imposing a police-state dictatorship on the nation to maintain their diabolical grip on power.
After all, Ron Paul said it, so it must be true.
Yup, and don’t forget healthcare, robo- that’s a biggie!
And veterans, who’re treated as cannon fodder if you believe the Dem spin.
And science of course is under attack.
And free trade is just a cover for outsourcing American jobs.
Of course we could also look at some oldies but goodies from the Reagan era, when Reagan tried to take the school lunches from poor kiddies, and forced Grandma to eat cat food, and created hordes of homeless mentally ill citizens.
What’s amazing is that so many people don’t see that virtually all of politics is based on emotional manipulation. The strategists surely are well aware of what they’re doing, but so many pundits and bloggers apparently only notice demagoguery from the opposite side of the aisle. I guess as Tully notes, you don’t consider it demagoguery if you believe it’s true, because then you believe it’s a valid critique of the risks in the opponents’ policies.
It would be nice if people would stop and think a bit more before accepting the talking points. First, think about whether the criticque of the opponent’s position is based on an accurate representation of that position. Then, consider whether the results of that policy position are likely to be as negative as the candidate claims they will be. If you still agree with the point being made, then at least understand why you think the results will be negative, and to what degree- and debate the issue on that basis.
Extra points if you can also articulate why the candidate you support has a positive proposal, and on what basis you can support a belief that the policy can succeed.
c stanley,
Obama has already this election claimed that McCain will take old people’s social security money away from them. So much for "new politics".
Or that McCain ‘doesn’t support veterans’ because he didn’t vote for the same bill he supported–even as McCain was pitching an alternative bill.
Obama is becoming very blatant about being a typical politician.
Naomi Wolf is a good example of someone who has gone off the deepend.
Look at this interview of her on a Ron Paul -type site, I wrote a reply:
http://dprogram.wordpress.com/2008/05/23/amy-goodman-interviews-naomi-wolf/
LOL, can’t believe I forgot the SS bit…that’s a classic that apparently never goes out of style.
And what’s even worse about the ‘typical politics’ of Obama is that he used Memorial Day to politicize about veterans (ignoring the actual meaning of the holiday, and using it as an opportunity to bash his political opponents), and at the same time his staff was criticizing McCain for politicizing the veterans bill (because McCain responded to the attack that Obama had launched at him.) Gotta give him points for chutzpah, I guess.
It would seem to be at least theoretically possible for a policy to both make a situation better than it was, and yet leave the situation substantially less good than a different policy would have. Could apply to lots of policies, foreign and domestic; certainly it could apply to the complex of actions and approaches that constitutes "foreign policy."
The "threat" of Islamic terrorism was highly overstated in the first place. The policy of placing so much emphasis on such a minor threat and using it to start wars of aggression has cost over US 4000 lives (officially) with many more troop suicides and other battle-related deaths. Bush’s "war on terror" has not protected the Iraq people. Quite the opposite with over a million dead and millions more made into refugees. If Bush’s already bloated national security state-within-a-state was any good in the first place it would have gone after such groups and prevented the 9/11 attack rather than merely using it as an excuse to launch pre-planned wars. And of course, each new piece of evidence that comes in points more towards 9/11 being a domestic rather than a foreign terror attack. As such, the real threat of a terror attack is FROM the US rather than TO the US.