Comments on: Dutch Euro MP and Turkish Party Fight

By: Jason

Jason — Sun, 18 May 2008 16:17:39 +0000

Comments on this thread have been closed after commenters made sweeping accusations and remarks that could be interpreted as implied threats against the site owner and his family.

I urge those who disagree with the author to reconsider their own ethical standards rather than assuming everyone who disagrees with them is corrupt or criminal.

By: Hans A.H.C. de Wit

Hans A.H.C. de Wit — Sun, 18 May 2008 16:12:32 +0000

A second note on the ongoing misleading information here about everyting related to Turkey.
Today I sat down with B.B., the Dutch correspondent of the Dutch NRC newspaper (probably Michael his favorite one) and the Dutch TV, the NOS.
We both are pondering are heads how Michael who spent some months in Turkey is supporting the Turkish CHP its policy, whilst they are the same as the disappeared CPN (Communist Party Netherlands). With one difference, Marcus Bakker (chairman of the CPN formany years) had at least some humor. If we see and hear Baykal (CHP), the both of us think about Marcus. When we see the structure of the CHP, it reminds us about how the CPN was run. How can someone - considering that we have to believe him - tell his audience that he is moderate conservative is stick and stuck behind the Turkish CHP? Is he defending the CHP because his anti-islam attitude? Or/and because he is engaged to the daughter of a Turkish colonel?
For the readers here; both B.B. as his writer live and work in Turkey for resp. 9 and 6 years.
Enjoy your day

By: Hans A.H.C. de Wit

Hans A.H.C. de Wit — Sat, 17 May 2008 11:34:19 +0000

Michael,

==The fight between Lagendijk and the CHP is part of a larger fight between the Green Party and the before mentioned Turkish party.

Nonsense, this has nothing to do with the Green party, this has all to do with Copenhagen criteria. The CHP can ‘not’ demand this as settled by the Ankara agreement 1961. But this shows their ‘doctrinal’ attitude. On the same day that they filed their demand, the Turkish Police an Gendarmerie made it clear that under chapter Freedom, Safety and Security they will never work with the EU. And I can go on like this for hrs. Its Turkey which all the time demands new and special treatments. How can a self declaimed conservative defends all the time the CHP, which simple offended this week Queen Elisabeth?
Get your facts straight. And dont tell me that I am pro AKP, I support Turkish LDP.
And fyi, Joost supports pro EU forces, and for sure NOT a PRO AKP.
Have a nice day.

By: Michael van der Galien

Michael van der Galien — Sat, 17 May 2008 11:11:11 +0000

"We don’t need enemies if our friends are like this. This is probably the most unequivocal vindication of anti-EU sentiments in Turkish secular circles. Upon reading another article on the same subject by M.A. Birand the other day, I had thought, maybe, the EU (thru Rehn and Lagendijk mostly) was engaging AKP on behalf of a non-existent non-rejectionist Turkish opposition; so it could be a good thing. There is a lot of gray tone in all this, but I apparently was wrong."

I think you are yeah. Lets not forget that Lagendijk is a member of the Greens, that’s very, very far to the left, very progressive. They are the pro-multiculturalism, pay respect to Islamism, bunch.

Having said that, you have to realize that Lagendijk is not a friend of Turkey, he is a friend of the AKP, and those with Islamist agendas in general.

By: Nihat

Nihat — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:53:17 +0000

"[...] the Dutchman says he had warned the AKP politburo that ‘they should have gone quiet and slow’ about the turban in particular, and probably about their other Islamic-motivated acts of governance/legislation in general."

We don’t need enemies if our friends are like this. This is probably the most unequivocal vindication of anti-EU sentiments in Turkish secular circles. Upon reading another article on the same subject by M.A. Birand the other day, I had thought, maybe, the EU (thru Rehn and Lagendijk mostly) was engaging AKP on behalf of a non-existent non-rejectionist Turkish opposition; so it could be a good thing. There is a lot of gray tone in all this, but I apparently was wrong.