Dutch Euro MP and Turkish Party Fight
Filed under: Europe, General News, Turkey — Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief on May 16, 2008 @ 10:33 am CEST
There is something of a war going on between a member of the European Parliament, Joost Lagendijk (NL, Greens - ultra progressive), and the Turkish political party the CHP. The Kemalist party has asked the Speaker of the European Parliament to remove Lagendijk from his post as co-chairman of the interparliamentary commission.
The reason? Lagendijk insulted the CHP on several occasions. He said that the party is a “disaster” and blasted it for its supposed anti-EU stance.
The fight between Lagendijk and the CHP is part of a larger fight between the Green Party and the before mentioned Turkish party. As we all know, ultra progressives believe that Islamism is simply a cultural exponent, a product of a culture. Therefore it is wrong to fight Islamist forces in Muslim countries.
The CHP, however, disagrees, believing that Turkey needs secularism, which the progressives, of course, consider to be a cultural product of the West. Hence the hatred.
Lagendijk is right to a degree when he says that the CHP is anti-EU. It has, however, reasons enough to oppose Turkey joining the European Union. The EU has treated Turkey is a despicable, denegrating manner for decades. Countries that are less ready to join the EU are allowed to join while Turkey is forced to implement reform after reform without getting anything in return. On top of that, there are many politicians and political parties in the West who run on an anti-Turkey platform during election time. Turks listen to the anti-Turkey rhetoric, and become increasingly angry and fed up.
Lastly TDN adds:
For many, the case of Lagendijk brings to mind the concept of “pet country syndrome” which is frequently used to refer to politicians who adopt a country and try to save it, usually from itself, without necessarily understanding its internal dynamics. Lagendijk seems to have fallen into this trap, as he is criticized by many for keeping silent on police action during last May Day, after all the talk about democracy thrown in the face of the CHP.
I think there is certainly some truth to that, but I think that it’s not so much about not understanding, as it is about disagreeing.
Consider the following:
Joost Lagendijk, a member of the European Parliament and chair of the Joint Parliamentary Committee with Turkey, is probably not the most popular political figure in Turkey. But no doubt, he is a man of vision, specifically an acknowledged expert on the optimal level of warfare Turkey’s Islamist Muslims should engage in their holy crusade against secular Muslims.In reference to the legal challenge against Turkey’s ruling party, the Dutchman says he had warned the AKP politburo that “they should have gone quiet and slow” about the turban in particular, and probably about their other Islamic-motivated acts of governance/legislation in general. Surely, it is not a good omen for the AKP if the “level of warfare” is increased. Yes, Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and his men should have gone “quieter and slower.” Blame it on Mr. Erdoğan’s honesty!
But apparently the alternative force, possibly feeling excited about the legal challenge against “their party,” is doing wrong by not listening to the “Flying Dutchman:” they are just too active and, in a haste to win the war are in fact exposing “their party” to greater risks.They may be technically very well equipped. They may be very intelligent. They may, ironically, be boasting to run a “Jewish-style lobbying network around the globe.” They may have all imaginable means of support inside or outside Turkey: Governmental, systematic, financial or others. But they are making a tactical mistake which is very natural. Blame, this one, on their desire to finish, sooner than later, the holy job they are committed to. But such desires often cause mistakes such as the embarrassing “in-house” espionage scandal in Ankara. That scandal is best evidence that the Islamic crusaders keep on ignoring Mr. Lagendijk’s advice. If what is commonly – and wrongly – known as the “deep state” had been caught in attempts to tap a senior member of the government, it would have been – rightfully – condemned both in Turkey and “in the world of the civilized values that Mr. Lagendijk comes from.” But the fact that plainclothes policemen trying to tap the vice president of the Constitutional Court that will rule on whether the ruling party has violated the Constitution and therefore should be banned will probably go un-condemned in both realms.That is not the heart of the matter. The AKP’s European friends have recently become “certified” AKP friends and therefore any biased EU word (or no word) from them on Turkish affairs would not surprise anyone. That bias is only distancing Turkey from where it should be coming closer. The heart of the matter is that the stakes are now higher in the “Battle of Ankara.”
Lagendijk knows what he’s talking about, that’s not the problem. The real problem is that he simply supports the AK Parti and wants this party to destroy all Kemalist opposition.








1 Nihat
May 16, 2008 @ 3:53 pm CEST"[…] the Dutchman says he had warned the AKP politburo that ‘they should have gone quiet and slow’ about the turban in particular, and probably about their other Islamic-motivated acts of governance/legislation in general."
We don’t need enemies if our friends are like this. This is probably the most unequivocal vindication of anti-EU sentiments in Turkish secular circles. Upon reading another article on the same subject by M.A. Birand the other day, I had thought, maybe, the EU (thru Rehn and Lagendijk mostly) was engaging AKP on behalf of a non-existent non-rejectionist Turkish opposition; so it could be a good thing. There is a lot of gray tone in all this, but I apparently was wrong.
2 Michael van der Galien
May 17, 2008 @ 1:11 pm CEST"We don’t need enemies if our friends are like this. This is probably the most unequivocal vindication of anti-EU sentiments in Turkish secular circles. Upon reading another article on the same subject by M.A. Birand the other day, I had thought, maybe, the EU (thru Rehn and Lagendijk mostly) was engaging AKP on behalf of a non-existent non-rejectionist Turkish opposition; so it could be a good thing. There is a lot of gray tone in all this, but I apparently was wrong."
I think you are yeah. Lets not forget that Lagendijk is a member of the Greens, that’s very, very far to the left, very progressive. They are the pro-multiculturalism, pay respect to Islamism, bunch.
Having said that, you have to realize that Lagendijk is not a friend of Turkey, he is a friend of the AKP, and those with Islamist agendas in general.
3 Hans A.H.C. de Wit
May 17, 2008 @ 1:34 pm CESTMichael,
==The fight between Lagendijk and the CHP is part of a larger fight between the Green Party and the before mentioned Turkish party.
Nonsense, this has nothing to do with the Green party, this has all to do with Copenhagen criteria. The CHP can ‘not’ demand this as settled by the Ankara agreement 1961. But this shows their ‘doctrinal’ attitude. On the same day that they filed their demand, the Turkish Police an Gendarmerie made it clear that under chapter Freedom, Safety and Security they will never work with the EU. And I can go on like this for hrs. Its Turkey which all the time demands new and special treatments. How can a self declaimed conservative defends all the time the CHP, which simple offended this week Queen Elisabeth?
Get your facts straight. And dont tell me that I am pro AKP, I support Turkish LDP.
And fyi, Joost supports pro EU forces, and for sure NOT a PRO AKP.
Have a nice day.
4 Hans A.H.C. de Wit
May 18, 2008 @ 6:12 pm CESTA second note on the ongoing misleading information here about everyting related to Turkey.
Today I sat down with B.B., the Dutch correspondent of the Dutch NRC newspaper (probably Michael his favorite one) and the Dutch TV, the NOS.
We both are pondering are heads how Michael who spent some months in Turkey is supporting the Turkish CHP its policy, whilst they are the same as the disappeared CPN (Communist Party Netherlands). With one difference, Marcus Bakker (chairman of the CPN formany years) had at least some humor. If we see and hear Baykal (CHP), the both of us think about Marcus. When we see the structure of the CHP, it reminds us about how the CPN was run. How can someone - considering that we have to believe him - tell his audience that he is moderate conservative is stick and stuck behind the Turkish CHP? Is he defending the CHP because his anti-islam attitude? Or/and because he is engaged to the daughter of a Turkish colonel?
For the readers here; both B.B. as his writer live and work in Turkey for resp. 9 and 6 years.
Enjoy your day
5 Jason
May 18, 2008 @ 6:17 pm CESTComments on this thread have been closed after commenters made sweeping accusations and remarks that could be interpreted as implied threats against the site owner and his family.
I urge those who disagree with the author to reconsider their own ethical standards rather than assuming everyone who disagrees with them is corrupt or criminal.