Comments on: Some Democrats Prefer McCain http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/ Politics and world events from a moderately liberal and conservative perspective Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:53:57 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: FrankP http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-61343 FrankP Sat, 12 Jul 2008 12:18:05 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-61343 A new web site was launched on July 4th with the hope of having a significant impact on this year's crucial Presidential election.  The web site, <strong>www.DemocratsforMcCain.com</strong>, targets Democrats that find Senator Barrack Obama wanting and, more importantly, those Democrats that will be voting for Sen. John McCain come this November. <strong> "We believe that our site will reach out to all of the Democrats for McCain – the Democrats that have the courage to acknowledge that they will cast their vote for John McCain in November,"</strong><em> </em>states Frank Pinizzotto, Director of Development, for <strong>www.DemocratsforMcCain.com</strong>. <em> </em><strong>"Why Courage?  How many Democrats have you spoken to that are willing to admit that their Party Candidate is not ready to take on the office of President of the United States?  President Obama?  I might vote for him in '16, but not now.  Not today.  Three years in the Senate makes not a good President of the Free World.  I have spoken to a lot of Democrats for McCain, but they have been up until now unwilling to publicly speak out.  A new silent majority.  A middle class, hard working majority that cannot trust their future to someone so untested.  No one can say that John McCain is not ready.  He has been tested like no other Presidential candidate in the history of our country," </strong>continues Pinizzotto. <strong></strong><strong>"Many Democrats, and Independents alike, feel more comfortable with John McCain.  His record of bi-partisanship.  His military record.  His record in the Senate.  People know what they are getting with John McCain. Organizers of DemocratsforMcCain.com hope the site will free up the 'silent McCain majority' and start a real discussion about the qualities that are needed for the next President of the United States."</strong><strong></strong> The site is hoping to reach supporters/volunteers nationwide to help spread the word that it is <strong>"okay to support McCain, not matter what you are registered as at the polls"</strong>, claims Pinizzotto.  "<strong>Joe Lieberman is just the start of this movement. Once Democrats learn more about John McCain, they will see that he is ready, and ready today, to be President.  We think that www.DemocratsforMcCain.com will have an impact on who gets sworn in as the next President of the United States.  And that person will be John McCain.</strong>"  Contact Information:       <a href="http://www.democratsformccain.com/" rel="nofollow">www.DemocratsforMcCain.com</a>Email: FrankP@DemocratsforMcCain.com  A new web site was launched on July 4th with the hope of having a significant impact on this year’s crucial Presidential election.  The web site, http://www.DemocratsforMcCain.com, targets Democrats that find Senator Barrack Obama wanting and, more importantly, those Democrats that will be voting for Sen. John McCain come this November.

"We believe that our site will reach out to all of the Democrats for McCain – the Democrats that have the courage to acknowledge that they will cast their vote for John McCain in November," states Frank Pinizzotto, Director of Development, for http://www.DemocratsforMcCain.com.  "Why Courage?  How many Democrats have you spoken to that are willing to admit that their Party Candidate is not ready to take on the office of President of the United States?  President Obama?  I might vote for him in ‘16, but not now.  Not today.  Three years in the Senate makes not a good President of the Free World.  I have spoken to a lot of Democrats for McCain, but they have been up until now unwilling to publicly speak out.  A new silent majority.  A middle class, hard working majority that cannot trust their future to someone so untested.  No one can say that John McCain is not ready.  He has been tested like no other Presidential candidate in the history of our country," continues Pinizzotto. "Many Democrats, and Independents alike, feel more comfortable with John McCain.  His record of bi-partisanship.  His military record.  His record in the Senate.  People know what they are getting with John McCain. Organizers of DemocratsforMcCain.com hope the site will free up the ’silent McCain majority’ and start a real discussion about the qualities that are needed for the next President of the United States." The site is hoping to reach supporters/volunteers nationwide to help spread the word that it is "okay to support McCain, not matter what you are registered as at the polls", claims Pinizzotto.  "Joe Lieberman is just the start of this movement. Once Democrats learn more about John McCain, they will see that he is ready, and ready today, to be President.  We think that http://www.DemocratsforMcCain.com will have an impact on who gets sworn in as the next President of the United States.  And that person will be John McCain."  Contact Information:      

http://www.DemocratsforMcCain.comEmail: FrankP@DemocratsforMcCain.com 

]]> By: buck http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-51011 buck Sun, 18 May 2008 21:33:31 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-51011 Consider a bunch of statements. I heard some people in West Virginia are inbred morons. I heard John McCain has a temper problem. I heard West Virginia is racist. I heard John McCain made a fool of himself when touring Baghdad. I heard he is 72. I heard his foreign policy could only have been invented by a fool. I heard he is selling himself as a second, third and fourth coming of George W. Bush. Some of the statements above may or may not be true. Some are just outright prejudicial. Others are not. Some require some investigation to confirm them. Others are just ludicrous oversimplifications. Shorter Josh Fry--I'm not a racist, I'm just a generic bigot. So is Kathleen Parker who picked up the "full-blooded American" theme and ran with it in her <a href="http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/chi-oped0514parkermay14,0,623379.column" rel="nofollow">syndicated column</a>. She has a right to her opinion and a right to express it--but she should not be able to utilize the pages of major newspapers to do it. As for you own opinion that Obama's foreign policy will be detrimental to Israel--and much else, apparently--the only evidence for it is coming from Republican operatives (and perhaps Clinton operatives as well, as it's been more and more difficult to tell the difference lately). The statement about his foreign policy makes absolutely no sense. It must be eight-year conditioning by the jackasses that run the country that is making you say things like that. Here's the problem. It is generally believed in some Jewish circles, as well as among Evangelicals and assorted neo-cons, that Israel never had a better friend in the White House than it does right now. The latest twit to express this sentiment is none other than Dick Cheney who made the statement at the Israeli embassy 60th anniversary party. He may well be excused for saying so--his reputation rides on it. But considering that the administration policies over the last eight years have put Israel in more rather than less precarious situation with respect to its neighbors, and the fact that BushCo effectively put a stop to Israel-Syria negotiations, it should be obvious that it's all a sham. These people are friends of Israel only in their own minds. McCain wants more of the same. Not more of the sane, but more of the same. One letter makes huge difference. If you bought into McCain/Clinton propaganda, then you're no better than Leonard Simpson--another character from the FT West Virginia story, who is going to vote for McCain because he "heard" that Obama is Muslim and his wife is an atheist. You just happen to believe a different piece of propaganda--the one that hits home, apparently. But the term describing both of you is the same--gullible. Consider a bunch of statements.

I heard some people in West Virginia are inbred morons.
I heard John McCain has a temper problem.
I heard West Virginia is racist.
I heard John McCain made a fool of himself when touring Baghdad.
I heard he is 72.
I heard his foreign policy could only have been invented by a fool.
I heard he is selling himself as a second, third and fourth coming of George W. Bush.

Some of the statements above may or may not be true. Some are just outright prejudicial. Others are not. Some require some investigation to confirm them. Others are just ludicrous oversimplifications.

Shorter Josh Fry–I’m not a racist, I’m just a generic bigot. So is Kathleen Parker who picked up the "full-blooded American" theme and ran with it in her syndicated column. She has a right to her opinion and a right to express it–but she should not be able to utilize the pages of major newspapers to do it.

As for you own opinion that Obama’s foreign policy will be detrimental to Israel–and much else, apparently–the only evidence for it is coming from Republican operatives (and perhaps Clinton operatives as well, as it’s been more and more difficult to tell the difference lately). The statement about his foreign policy makes absolutely no sense. It must be eight-year conditioning by the jackasses that run the country that is making you say things like that.

Here’s the problem. It is generally believed in some Jewish circles, as well as among Evangelicals and assorted neo-cons, that Israel never had a better friend in the White House than it does right now. The latest twit to express this sentiment is none other than Dick Cheney who made the statement at the Israeli embassy 60th anniversary party. He may well be excused for saying so–his reputation rides on it. But considering that the administration policies over the last eight years have put Israel in more rather than less precarious situation with respect to its neighbors, and the fact that BushCo effectively put a stop to Israel-Syria negotiations, it should be obvious that it’s all a sham. These people are friends of Israel only in their own minds.

McCain wants more of the same. Not more of the sane, but more of the same. One letter makes huge difference. If you bought into McCain/Clinton propaganda, then you’re no better than Leonard Simpson–another character from the FT West Virginia story, who is going to vote for McCain because he "heard" that Obama is Muslim and his wife is an atheist. You just happen to believe a different piece of propaganda–the one that hits home, apparently. But the term describing both of you is the same–gullible.

]]> By: Nancy Coppock http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49953 Nancy Coppock Tue, 13 May 2008 00:14:06 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49953 So what's up with the Democrat (sic) Party being the party of  ignorant hayseeds? Are they considered ignorant because of what they think or because they don't trust Obama? So what’s up with the Democrat (sic) Party being the party of  ignorant hayseeds? Are they considered ignorant because of what they think or because they don’t trust Obama?

]]> By: Tully http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49702 Tully Mon, 12 May 2008 15:11:54 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49702 <em>As far as I am concerned people like that should not even be allowed to vote, but that’s probably because I am an elitist snob. </em>Well, yeah, maybe, but more crucially we're so open-minded and pluralistic in America that we don't take away constitutional rights from people just because they're bigoted jerks.  No matter how annoying and idiotic we find them. <em>Whether the racist mentioned above likes it or not, Obama is a <strong>real</strong> American. </em>As real as me and...oops, sorry, Michael! As real an American as any other, born on US soil to an American citizen parent. We are a very diverse nation. You or I may not find race or religion to be valid reasons to vote for or against someone, but the heart of democratic pluralism is that everyone votes for or against for their own reasons. It's their vote, and they assign it as they please, even if you or I might find their reasoning (or utter lack thereof) extremely questionable. As far as I am concerned people like that should not even be allowed to vote, but that’s probably because I am an elitist snob.

Well, yeah, maybe, but more crucially we’re so open-minded and pluralistic in America that we don’t take away constitutional rights from people just because they’re bigoted jerks.  No matter how annoying and idiotic we find them.

Whether the racist mentioned above likes it or not, Obama is a real American.

As real as me and…oops, sorry, Michael! As real an American as any other, born on US soil to an American citizen parent. We are a very diverse nation.

You or I may not find race or religion to be valid reasons to vote for or against someone, but the heart of democratic pluralism is that everyone votes for or against for their own reasons. It’s their vote, and they assign it as they please, even if you or I might find their reasoning (or utter lack thereof) extremely questionable.

]]> By: Pug http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49690 Pug Mon, 12 May 2008 13:35:00 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49690 McCain will not insult these people, he will welcome them with open arms. West Virginia voted Republican in 2000 and 2004.  It will do so again in 2008 no matter the nominee the Democrats put forward.  This is not so much about Obama as it is about West Virginians.   I'm sure the views expressed in the article by the good people of that state are widespread there. This is a state with high poverty rates, low educational achievement and high levels of resentment toward those big city know-it-alls.  In other words, a perfect state for the modern Republican Party. McCain will not insult these people, he will welcome them with open arms.

West Virginia voted Republican in 2000 and 2004.  It will do so again in 2008 no matter the nominee the Democrats put forward.  This is not so much about Obama as it is about West Virginians.   I’m sure the views expressed in the article by the good people of that state are widespread there.

This is a state with high poverty rates, low educational achievement and high levels of resentment toward those big city know-it-alls.  In other words, a perfect state for the modern Republican Party.

]]> By: Jules Crittenden » Heart of Darkness http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49689 Jules Crittenden » Heart of Darkness Mon, 12 May 2008 13:26:12 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49689 [...] Van der Galien is impressed by the FT expedition report and outraged to learn that Andrew Ward encountered an ignoramus in West Virginia. [...] […] Van der Galien is impressed by the FT expedition report and outraged to learn that Andrew Ward encountered an ignoramus in West Virginia. […]

]]> By: C Stanley http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49669 C Stanley Mon, 12 May 2008 12:14:54 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2008/05/12/some-democrats-prefer-mccain/#comment-49669 LOL, truthinobaman. Maybe you could enlighten us as to what could possibly constitute a defense for those statements? And if you want to know what Wright's church preaches, there's no shortage of opportunity to do so; look at the TUCC website, view the YouTube clips which are excerpts from DVD's made by the church, and I believe the church even broadcasts one of the Sunday services so it's probably available over the internet. You can also read about the black liberation theology of James Cone which was formative to Wright's own beliefs and what he preaches. There are elements of this that I feel are very racist and divisive, and worthy of criticism- there's no need to make up some vague scary sounding stuff about how it might actually be a "Christian/Islam/Voodoo" hybrid religion (you only make yourself look foolish and make it obvious that you're the one who needs to do your research.) And um, isn't the man's comment about Michelle Obama being a closet atheist a bit odd since she's attended TUCC for many years and had her marriage and children's baptisms performed by Rev. Wright? BTW, while you are doing your research, you might review the spelling of the blogpost author's name as well. LOL, truthinobaman. Maybe you could enlighten us as to what could possibly constitute a defense for those statements? And if you want to know what Wright’s church preaches, there’s no shortage of opportunity to do so; look at the TUCC website, view the YouTube clips which are excerpts from DVD’s made by the church, and I believe the church even broadcasts one of the Sunday services so it’s probably available over the internet. You can also read about the black liberation theology of James Cone which was formative to Wright’s own beliefs and what he preaches. There are elements of this that I feel are very racist and divisive, and worthy of criticism- there’s no need to make up some vague scary sounding stuff about how it might actually be a "Christian/Islam/Voodoo" hybrid religion (you only make yourself look foolish and make it obvious that you’re the one who needs to do your research.) And um, isn’t the man’s comment about Michelle Obama being a closet atheist a bit odd since she’s attended TUCC for many years and had her marriage and children’s baptisms performed by Rev. Wright?
BTW, while you are doing your research, you might review the spelling of the blogpost author’s name as well.

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