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	<title>Comments on: Rethinking Ethanol</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick Murphy</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/11/rethinking-ethanol/#comment-49444</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 23:06:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All arguments pro and con in the EtOH arena, has anybody looked at the National Ignition Facility website maintained by Lawrence Livermore Labs?  If this thing is real then the future will get really interesting in terms of energy production!  Google it (National Ignition Facility,) and have a look.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All arguments pro and con in the EtOH arena, has anybody looked at the National Ignition Facility website maintained by Lawrence Livermore Labs?  If this thing is real then the future will get really interesting in terms of energy production!  Google it (National Ignition Facility,) and have a look.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/11/rethinking-ethanol/#comment-49422</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 22:22:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#34;takes more energy than it gives&#34; line is a myth, and even if true would be irrelevant in most cases, as the claim omits the overall economics of ethanol fuel production in calculating the energy balance. Grain ethanol shows a definite energy balance gain, and an energy production &#34;profit&#34; is still a gain, a boost in fuel usage efficiency. Like trading a dollar bill for six quarters, you win. 

Another major point to consider in the energy balance consideration is that the goal here is &lt;em&gt;portable&lt;/em&gt; fuel. If it takes three units of stationary energy to produce one unit of &lt;em&gt;portable&lt;/em&gt; energy, so what? What is the cost of the stationary energy input? Say the energy involved in production is largely nuclear, wind, or solar, not a single one of which is a portable source and the latter two of which are near-free and non-polluting. What does it matter how much windmill spinning is required to produce a gallon of ethanol, or how many watts a solar still absorbs while distilling it? 

All that said, Brazilian sugar cane ethanol makes sense--for Brazil. Completely different cost-efficiency-resource structure. But in general &lt;em&gt;grain&lt;/em&gt; ethanol is &lt;em&gt;at best&lt;/em&gt; only a partial substitution for America, not a replacement. &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol" rel="nofollow"&gt;Cellulosic ethanol&lt;/a&gt; show much greater promise as a sustainable alt-fuel.  Grain ethanol was indeed foisted ito the political structure as a &#34;desirable&#34; alternate only because of the frm-state and Big Ag politics involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &quot;takes more energy than it gives&quot; line is a myth, and even if true would be irrelevant in most cases, as the claim omits the overall economics of ethanol fuel production in calculating the energy balance. Grain ethanol shows a definite energy balance gain, and an energy production &quot;profit&quot; is still a gain, a boost in fuel usage efficiency. Like trading a dollar bill for six quarters, you win. </p>
<p>Another major point to consider in the energy balance consideration is that the goal here is <em>portable</em> fuel. If it takes three units of stationary energy to produce one unit of <em>portable</em> energy, so what? What is the cost of the stationary energy input? Say the energy involved in production is largely nuclear, wind, or solar, not a single one of which is a portable source and the latter two of which are near-free and non-polluting. What does it matter how much windmill spinning is required to produce a gallon of ethanol, or how many watts a solar still absorbs while distilling it? </p>
<p>All that said, Brazilian sugar cane ethanol makes sense&#8211;for Brazil. Completely different cost-efficiency-resource structure. But in general <em>grain</em> ethanol is <em>at best</em> only a partial substitution for America, not a replacement. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulosic_ethanol" rel="nofollow">Cellulosic ethanol</a> show much greater promise as a sustainable alt-fuel.  Grain ethanol was indeed foisted ito the political structure as a &quot;desirable&quot; alternate only because of the frm-state and Big Ag politics involved.</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/11/rethinking-ethanol/#comment-49408</link>
		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 21:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Especially corn [or maize] based alcohol.  This was a ginormous con by Sen. Dole on behalf of Archer Daniel Midlands &#38; other consortia with a rock-solid base of nearly forty corn-maize growing states.
 
Even the Brazilian version using cane sugar is hardly efficient, and the ethanol production robs Peter to pay Paul---a transformation of money in an equibalance of energy, as it takes about as much energy to produce ethanol as the product expends in the gas tank.

A classic educational exercise in the law of unintended consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially corn [or maize] based alcohol.  This was a ginormous con by Sen. Dole on behalf of Archer Daniel Midlands &amp; other consortia with a rock-solid base of nearly forty corn-maize growing states.<br />
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Even the Brazilian version using cane sugar is hardly efficient, and the ethanol production robs Peter to pay Paul&#8212;a transformation of money in an equibalance of energy, as it takes about as much energy to produce ethanol as the product expends in the gas tank.</p>
<p>A classic educational exercise in the law of unintended consequences.</p>
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