“It alarms me that anyone even considers putting those kids back in that compound.”

May 1st, 2008 By: Deafening Silence | Tags:

Andrea Moore-Emmett is an award-winning journalist and the author of God’s Brothel, a book detailing the history and current practice of polygamy in the United States.  She was also the researcher for Inside Polygamy, a documentary broadcast by A&E and the BBC.

We spoke by phone and discussed the abuses she uncovered in organized polygamy, the FLDs, and the raid on the YFZ ranch.

Andrea Moore-Emmett has been writing about polygamy for over 12 years.

“I was the first one to write about abuses in polygamy,” she says, “and I kept writing about it until my editors at the paper told me they were tired of it.”

Her investigative work eventually resulted in a book, God’s Brothel, published in 2004.  Polygamy, she says, is a problem the authorities would rather ignore.

“They [law enforcement] know of men who are doing the same thing that Warren Jeffs has been doing- and some even worse- and they’re not doing anything about it simply because there’s no media spotlight on these men.  They only do something when they have to but they would rather not ever do anything.”

Moore-Emmett says the problem extends beyond the boundaries of Texas and Utah- “I know of 32 states where Mormon and Christian polygamy is being lived-” and includes communities in Nevada, Missouri, Colorado and South Dakota.

An ex-Mormon raised in the mainstream church, Moore-Emmett is critical of the LDS leadership for ducking the issue of polygamy.

“They do not want to look like they are culpable in any way because that would mean that they would have to take responsibility and they want to distance themselves from this issue as much as possible.  They don’t want to look like they have anything to do with it.”

One result of this look-the-other-way policy is a lack of hard data on polygamous groups.  The number of polygamists in the United States has been estimated at 30,000 to 100,000.

“It’s an educated guess,” say Moore-Emmett.  “There’s no census of any type.”

No one knows how many women and children flee polygamy each year.

Lack of official scrutiny means lack of support for those women and children; they are forced to rely on non-polygamous relatives, a smattering of non-profit groups, or simply their own initiative.

Limited resources makes such escapes “very rare,” according to Moore-Emmett.

“They don’t have any idea that there are programs for them.  They don’t have any idea that there are choices for them.  They don’t have skills or education when they do leave and so that makes them very fearful to make that kind of a step.”

Those who do manage to escape often take refuge in anonymity.

“In a lot of cases these women don’t want to talk about it.  They don’t want to come forward and tell their stories.  It’s very difficult for them to revisit the painful past.  They’re often really afraid that they’re going to be sought after by the polygamists if they come out.”

At times Moore-Emmett found herself caught between religious fanaticism and skittish law enforcement.  By day she watched judges return children to situations she was convinced were dangerous.  At night polygamous wives appeared on her doorstep, pleading for her to stop her investigations. Polygamous men called her at 2 a.m. to rant and scream.

Overwhelmed with frustration and disgust, she eventually left Utah.

She believes polygamy should remain a felony.  Although sympathetic to the desires of individual, rational adults, she points out that,

“Polygamy practiced within these cults is coercive by nature.  And abusive by nature.  And I think it should remain against the law simply because of the nature of it.”

We discuss some of the abuses she has documented in FLDs communities.  I tell her that Carolyn Jessop has publicly described the technique used by her ex-husband, Merril Jessop to “break” babies: slap the infant until it screams.  Hold it, face up, under a running tap so that it can’t breathe.  Repeat, until the child is too exhausted to cry.

The technique is familiar to Moore-Emmett.

“They start in the cradle breaking babies,” she says.  “It’s essential for control.  They start them at infancy.”

She describes other methods: some children are submerged in a bathtub when they cry.  Some parents simply slap the children until they faint.

I point out that investigators at the YFZ ranch have said that they saw no evidence of risk to infants and toddlers.

“They are definitely at risk,” she says.  “It alarms me that anybody even considers putting those kids back in that compound.  They are all at serious risk.”

I tell her that at least one expert has testified in court that he is unsure if the boys are being harmed by the FLDs lifestyle.

She says the boys are “groomed to be predators.”

“What is not talked about very often is that the boys live through horrible, horrible beatings.  And they’re taught to fight each other- hand-to-hand combat…’till they’re bloody.”

For boys, Moore-Emmett says, violence is seen as a strength, “because you need violence to control.”

Survival skills like violence and control seem to take the place of formal education.  Most FLDs children are church- or homeschooled.

“No state is monitoring the non-education of these children,” says Moore-Emmett.  She describes a weak curriculum of basic math and spelling.  Literature other than holy scripture is forbidden.  History is restricted to the genealogy of the Mormon prophets.  Science is regarded as heresy, and other cultures are not  worth knowing about.  Teaching health would only encourage immodest discussions of the human body.

Knowledge of the human body could pose problems. FLDs children are seldom vaccinated; there are outbreaks of diseases like whooping cough.  The genetic consequences of incest are explained away by doctrine:

“The FLDs believe that if you marry a close relative- or any relative- God automatically changes your blood so you’re not related.”

I tell her that investigators have reported that only half the families living at the YFZ ranch are polygamous.

She laughs out loud.

“Well, if they’re talking about children under the age of 14, which is a huge part of the population, that could be true.  If they’re talking about the adult population, that’s absolutely not true.”

CPS investigators have reported difficulty in determining which children belong to which parents.  In FLDs culture, whole families are frequently “reassigned” to new males by the prophet.  After reassignment the new head of household frequently marries several of his new stepdaughters as well.

I ask Moore-Emmett if she thinks the children have been told to lie or are genuinely confused.

“These children are genuinely confused,” she says.  “Absolutely genuinely confused.  They can have a daddy one day and if they’re reassigned they have a new daddy the next day.”

She says that the reassignment of children is not limited to fathers.

“In some cases even the children are rotated between mothers on purpose so there’s no bonding.”

Her knowledge of FLDs childrearing practices makes her suspicious of news footage showing weeping mothers.

“These women are really not in touch with their feelings and they don’t know how to have any feelings.  They have been trained from the cradle not to feel.  Feeling is a bad thing for them.  They don’t want to have any of the negative feelings so they drum out all the feelings.”

Still, she is not surprised to see mostly FLDs women interviewed by the media.

“They do it on purpose [sending women to meet the press].  They believe women are more sympathetic and they know that they are using women, so if they can get women to say ‘I’m perfectly happy,’ then somehow that is proof enough.”

She believes that the FLDS leadership has been “love-bombing” the press- blitzing the media with positive spin.  Negative stories are being suppressed.

The FLDs, she says, has ways of dealing with dissent.

“People disappear within the FLDs- boys disappear, girls disappear.  The kids call them “poofers”- they disappear in a poof.”

The threat of Blood Atonement can also guarantee silence.  Blood Atonement is the execution of church members in “atonement” for grievous sins.

“It’s an absolute fear…women are terrified to leave because of that threat.”

Moore-Emmett has heard the criticisms of the raid on the YFZ ranch.  Some critics have called it a sweeping violation of the groups’ constitutional rights.  She admits she is “not a constitutional attorney” but maintains,

“I don’t have a problem with what Texas authorities did.  I think that it was difficult circumstances and difficult circumstances call for extreme measures sometimes.”

“What I come back to is the rights of these children.  Where are the rights of these children to have the kind of life that we as American citizens expect of the most vulnerable of our citizens?  And if we do not protect the most vulnerable of our citizens, then shame on us.

“Where are the rights of these children not to be molested?  Where are the rights of these children to have an education?  Where are the rights of these children to get medical attention when they need it?  Where are the rights of these children to have a safe home where they’re not thrown out on the streets at the age of 14 or they’re not forced into a marriage?  Where are the rights of these children not to be abused to the point of near death in many cases or death in some cases?

She points out that the FLDs has used 30 million dollars of public funds to support their lifestyle in a single year.

“Do we want to fund this kind of abuse- this institutionalized abuse?  What we’re talking about is a pedophile club.  Are we going to say, ‘Oh, these adults have rights to this pedophile club,’ and forget the kids?”

Cross-posted at Deafening Silence .

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  1. Bob
    May 1st, 2008 at 16:37
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    “I don’t have a problem with what Texas authorities did.  I think that it was difficult circumstances and difficult circumstances call for extreme measures sometimes."

    Texas authorities basically wiped the Constitution across their collective arse due to a hoax phone call.  I have a huge problem with that.   I’m not defending the FLDS in any way, but as long as you (and others) keep defending the local, state and federal Govt. making up the rules as they go along..they will continue to do so.

  2. A. D. Kay
    May 1st, 2008 at 18:50
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    Bob, you are seriously misguided if you think the Texas authorities disregarded the Constitution. Once the authorities got inside the compound, they found plenty of evidence of child abuse and sexual abuse. They found teenage girls who were pregnant or had more than one child, for Pete’s sake! Children’s Protective Services would have been negligent if they hadn’t removed those children. Don’t be fooled by the religious smokescreen. CPS did the same thing it always does when it finds evidence of children being abuse and adults being unable or unwilling to stop it: remove the children and keep them safe. The only difference is the number of children involved at a single location.

  3. Jason
    May 1st, 2008 at 19:03
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    It is clear that sufficient evidence was found (after the fact — the basis for the original incursion is extremely sketchy — do you really want authorities empowered to find probable cause AFTER the warrant is issued???) to justify removal of all teenaged girls from a potentially abusive environment.

    The seizure of ALL children of ALL ages and BOTH genders is much less clear, unless the definition of "abuse" is broadened to include exposure to minority religious beliefs. And that would be an extremely dangerous precedent to set.

    So the situation now appears much less clear than advocates on either side, including myself, would have presented in the past.

  4. Jason
    May 1st, 2008 at 19:08
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    An ex-Mormon raised in the mainstream church, Moore-Emmett is critical of the LDS leadership for ducking the issue of polygamy.

    For reasons I explained previously, ex-members of a religion are often the worst possible sources for objective information. I am disappointed that PoliGazette has yet again published another report from such a source without even the slightest skepticism.

    The fact is that the mainstream LDS church routinely excommunicates anyone found to be living in a polygamous relationship. They do not “duck” the issue. The accusation that all Mormons are somehow responsible for the teachings and behaviors of any religious group that branched off over a century ago is slanderous and irresponsible. It is a clear indication that this author is not a credible or objective source, in my opinion.

  5. PatHMV
    May 1st, 2008 at 19:39
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    Not to reopen the debate, Jason, but this "yeah, but only the teenage girls were in danger" defense is just wrong, even in the absence of any abuse of pre-teens and boys.

    I had lunch yesterday with an old prosecutor buddy of mine, and he was telling me about one of his cases. This woman had several children, the youngest of whom were twins.

    She starved the twins to death, well, one of them anyway, the other was permanently injured by severe starvation. Somehow, she got off with probation on a diminished capacity kind of defense. Remarkably, child services let her keep her other children, explicitly on the reasoning that, well, she had no problem with the other children, she just was kind of crazy about the twins. Since the twins weren’t around any more, she wasn’t a danger to the other kids.

    A year or so later, 5 of the kids died in a fire because the mother kept them all sleeping in one room with old electrical space heaters with bad wiring  laying around.

    Any parent who would abuse a 13 year old girl, or knowingly allow that girl to be abused, is not a fit parent for ANY child, whether they pose an immediate risk of injury to that younger child or not.

  6. Claudia
    May 2nd, 2008 at 00:23
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    Fantastic post, thank you. One note, the whole thing about boys being perfectly safe seems to be, shall we say, less than clear.

  7. Jackal
    May 2nd, 2008 at 02:07
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    If one man is guilty of plural marriage, are not at least two woman guilty also? The last time I checked, women are still subject to the law. We all know FLDS women are moral, pioneer-spirited, strong-willed women. I’d hate to be a man in a household when five sister wives find me ‘out of line’, then gang up on me. If there is any abuse against women in a FLDS community, it comes when wives gang up on a sister wife who has gone ‘out of line’, sometimes even banning her to the outside world, where some turn to anti-polygamy activism. Of course, anti-polygamy activists never blame their sister wives. They know too well that no one would believe them — so they blame men, easier targets in an anti-male, anti-family culture. I’m sure there are some men who are guilty, but certainly not all — not even a small fraction. The FLDS raid is turning out to be a looking glass into the mysterious life of FLDS culture. When the dust settles and the truth is fully revealed, we’re all going to be very surprised with the results. Meanwhile, we continue to see the mainstream media and anti-male activists paint FLDS suspects with the same brush used on the Duke lacrosse victims who were falsely accused of rape. District Attorney Michael Nifong is no more, thanks to bloggers and the Internet, which made it possible for someone besides just the biased, self-appointed members of the Fourth Estate to weigh in. It’s criminal how these people side — willy-nilly — with government sponsored terrorism against the FLDS community. The only time we hear members of the press object is when one of their own squeals when his or her First Amendment rights are trampled on. Otherwise, they all pretty much tow the institutional line, even if it means innocent victims are convicted. Texas has the highest false-conviction rate in the US. Where were the Fourth Estate members who claim they are the final check-and-balance on government? It takes a prosecutor and a liar to convict an innocent person. Yet, of all the innocent individuals who have been convicted of a crime, Nifong stands alone as the only fallen prosecutor. As far as I know, no witness has been convicted for the perjury that landed an innocent person in prison. These criminal officials and perjurers are free among us, just as free as the author is to slander the reputations of many men and women who most certainly are not guilty of any crime.

  8. Jason
    May 2nd, 2008 at 02:55
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    Claudia, did you ever hear of the McMartin preschool case?

    You might want to read up on it before you jump to conclusions based on rumors and unsupported allegations derived from interviews by state "child welfare" officials.  There is a very scary history there that warrants extreme caution.

  9. Matt
    May 4th, 2008 at 02:45
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    admin: telling falsehoods about other people’s religions is not welcome here

  10. Joe Garland
    May 18th, 2008 at 23:12

    I am astounded by the public’s willing ignorance on this matter and cannot understand why they are so easily mislead even in the face of such damning evidence. Please allow me to post that evidence with reference links. We know that last week, Texas Authorities dropped their warrant for Dale Barlow, who was the accused rapist by the now debunked hoax caller, Rozita Swinton, who claimed to be a 16 year old being raped by her father at the Yearning for Zion Ranch. This was the call which initiated the storming of the polygamist community by armed militia and the abduction of 463 children. Here is a link concerning the hoax caller and a link regarding the statement by Texas Authorities who dropped the warrant.http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=61963
    http://www.kvue.com/news/state/stories/050308kvuepolygamist-jj.c4de3865.html

    Texas Authorities also now admit cover up and possible disciplinary actions to their own when admitting that a growing number of girls who they claimed were minors and who had children while in state custody are actually adults, some as old as 22. Authorities admin to having the birth certificates all along.
    http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iIdMpRHjN4hpNKBhfYyAsR4DDo4QD90N2T8G0

    In what could be said to at least ‘appear to be suspect’ concerning the timing of the report coinciding with falling public support, Texas authorities then claimed they found 41 broken bones among these children. A claim now however, they seem to quickly be retreating from.Quote from the Texas CPS website as of April 29th and maintained as of May 18th: “We do not have X-rays or complete medical information on many children so it is too early to draw any conclusions based on this information, but it is cause for concern and something we’ll continue to examine”
    http://www.dfps.state.tx.us/About/News/2008/2008-04-30_Eldorado_Senate.asp After that retreat and seeming to feel the public heat, the next claim by Texas authorities was that a new revelation was just uncovered that young boys were being molested. A story by the way sharply denied by the young boys themselves.http://news.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30200-1312929,00.html

    Are you beginning to see a pattern here? I imagine the next claim will be that they were boiling down infants and turning their fat into ritual candles.  I am saddened by what I see in many of my former Texas neighbors. I lived in Dallas from 1984 through 1992 and found the people to be quite sincere. But how they could support this event after watching our friends in Waco burn to death along with their children is beyond me.  For years, those of us who had friends in the Waco area or knew people who knew some of these good folks, tried to tell their story; only to be mocked and scorned. Years after fooling many of you, (not me), the FBI quietly admitted to starting the fire; though most citizens are completely ignorant of this admission.
    http://www.cnn.com/US/9908/25/fbi.waco/index.html

    I believe some of those who spread the government’s stories concerning Waco deserve some of the blame for those young children dying. You may not have lit the match, but you certainly helped fan the flames, just as I believe some of you educated people who now spread the government’s stories concerning these parents in Utah should also share some of the blame for what is happening to these children.    

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    May 28th, 2008 at 07:51
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