A Bizarre Assumption

April 23rd, 2008 By: Jason, Managing Editor | Tags:

Activists for candidates in both parties are still trying to base their arguments on the claim that votes lost by an opposing candidate in a primary are evidence that that candidate cannot win in the general election. Hillary Clinton’s campaign has been the most high-profile example of this claim with their persistent argument that Obama’s failure to win primaries in major industrial states is evidence that he cannot win them in a general election campaign. And the dead-enders remaining with the Ron Paul campaign are trying to spin out the notion (see the comments, not the toungue-in-cheek article) (more examples in the comments thread on PoliGazette) that a 15% protest vote for Paul in the Pennsylania primary is evidence that McCain is toast in the general election.

Problem is that both of these claims are bizarre and deluded bunk. Voters in a primary almost always set aside their differences in the general election. This is a side-effect of the debased state of American political debate. Loyalty to party is driven more by fear and hatred of the other party than by loyalty to a particular candidate. That fear and hatred toward the other side will not likely be overridden except in cases where the candidate from their own party does something truly egregious.

The likelihood of Pennsylvania Democrats suddenly embracing a Republican, even a moderate like McCain, is remote even under the best of circumstances. Activist Democrats and their more slavish allies in the blogosphere have already telegraphed their general election strategy, trying to recast McCain as nothing more than a third-term for George W. Bush. Even given the dishonesty of such a charge, it will almost certainly be sufficient to keep the BDS-infested Democratic base within the party no matter who the presidential nominee is. Democrats who vote for Hillary in Pennsylvania and Ohio are going to turn out to vote for Obama on election day rather than (as they will be told to see it) giving Bush a third term. The reverse also probably applies in Hillary’s favor.

The only thing that might change this for Democrats is the combination of back-room maneuvering and racial resentment. If the Clinton campaign enters the convention in Denver behind in delegates and the popular vote but gains the nomination by either hypocritical exploitation of arcane procedures to get the Michigan and Florida delegates seated in spite of her original promise to adhere to party rules barring them OR by strong-arming pledged delegates to come over to her side, Clinton may be saddled with the allegation of having “stolen” the nomination by means that confirm the worst stereotypes about the Clintons’ vicious elbow-throwing style. Since the victims will be the very same black community that once honored Bill Clinton with the unofficial title of the “first black president”, the starkness of the betrayal might be enough to cause substantial elements of the Democratic coalition to stay home on election day.

The scenario beloved by Ron Paul’s tin-foil-infested brigades is even less likely, in the same probability range as the conspiracy theories some of them spew about Bilderbergs and the Council on Foreign Relations. The idea that a protest vote that has consistently managed only to outnumber the vote for candidates that were no longer running in the race somehow indicates the groundswell of a movement that is capable of taking over the Republican convention is beyond laughable. And the loss of minor cadres of gold-standard enthusiasts is not likely to be keenly felt by the McCain campaign in the general election, especially when the alternative offered to them is likely to be made to appear to be nothing more than a typical big-government Democrat proposing huge new spending increases and with questionable and corrupt personal associations. After all, the Republicans have tipped the hand of their predictable spin machine just as much as the Democrats. And the reasons it is predictable is because in both parties it is merely a reiteration of exactly what has been used before.

The bottom line is that the parties do not update their scripts any more, they just keep reading them out heedless of changes in reality. The reason they do this is simply because it works — it functions quite well to force their base to choose up sides in a predictable and controllable manner. And, with the exception of Clinton’s hard-knuckles high-wire act, there is nothing in the current campaign to justify the bizarre assumption that the party bases will not come home on election day.

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  1. cracker
    April 23rd, 2008 at 20:06
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    The GOP is losing voters left and right and will lose in November.  What we saw in PA - where 27% of the Republican voters voted "anyone but McCain" is a precursor to the general election.  The GOP has a dud for a nominee.

  2. Chuck
    April 23rd, 2008 at 21:13
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    You certainly have a right to your take on what Pennsylvania means.
    I will caution you to not to overlook what is happening in the GOP.  I do know that I and at least 10 longtime friends and family who have voted Republican always over the last 20 years are not supporting McCain under any circumstances.   My own experience and my gut feeling is that if the GOP throws Ron Paul supporters or our views under the bus is going to pay heavily for that in November.  The GOP leadership is missing the boat.

  3. Chuck
    April 23rd, 2008 at 21:23
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    It also sounds like you’re doing your 2 cents to try and keep the propaganda going that the republican party/base  will be business as usual.  You will see in November.  I, as a lifetime republican, will never support another RINO ever again (i.e. Bush)  and I sure can’t support the socialist/communist party called democrats.  The GOP as it was once known is dead (The Libertarian leaning republicans and everyone we can wake up are gone forever if we can’t change the party back).  We are not buying the BS either party is selling anymore.

  4. jen
    April 23rd, 2008 at 21:28
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    Likely that the article that came out yesterday about McCain’s abusiveness twards his wife was reason enough to protest vote against him? Temperment such as that is shameful. McCain is unfit to be a nominee.

  5. Jason
    April 23rd, 2008 at 21:36
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    I have no problem throwing racism, conspiracy theories, and bizarre fixations on 1870s economics "under the bus". I think McCain wins far more votes than he loses by not indulging in the various ideological and behavioral dysfunctions of the Voldemort movement.

    And every time the Paulistas puff themselves up and exaggerate their numbers and importance, they only remind people of their overheated predictions of winning primaries (where Paul averaged somewhere around 4% and routinely finished below every candidate actually contesting the state in question) and changing the world, blah, blah, blah.

    You guys are like those birds that puff themselves up to try to win mates. And those costumed fruitcakes and sign-wielding twoofers that dominated the Ron Paul rally at the Capitol lawn last week pretty much summed up the whole “movement”.

    Actually, there are a few Paul supporters that seem intellectually serious. We had one that showed up around here recently. But they are VASTLY outnumbered by the bleating sheep who robotically repeat the same tired slogans we’ve seen on this site for months already.

  6. Rudi666
    April 23rd, 2008 at 22:54
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    Forget about Ron Paul, Bob Barr could hurt his former Republican Party.

    Bob Barr has some of his former conservative allies worried. The former Republican congressman from Georgia and erstwhile nemesis of former President Bill Clinton is thinking about running for president. Though Barr has launched an exploratory committee to consider a White House bid as a Libertarian, many remember Barr as a vocal House Republican in the late 1990s, according to his former colleague Rep. Nathan Deal (R-Ga.).   <!– if (!document.phpAds_used) document.phpAds_used = ‘,’; phpAds_random = new String (Math.random()); phpAds_random = phpAds_random.substring(2,11); document.write (”"); //–> <a href="http://ad.thehill.com/adclick.php?n=a5f6dd33" target="_blank"><img style="display: none;" src="http://ad.thehill.com/adview.php?what=zone:33&n=a5f6dd33" alt="" border="0"></a> “I’m concerned that [Barr’s candidacy] will detract from the Republican candidate and simply enhance the Democratic candidate,” said Deal.
    Columnist George Will went one step further. “Come November, Barr conceivably could be to John McCain what Ralph Nader was to Al Gore in 2000 — ruinous,” Will wrote in his Newsweek column this week.It’s Barr’s record that causes conservatives concern. During his eight years in Congress, Barr sponsored the Defense of Marriage Act, which allowed state same-sex marriage bans and is now law. He led an unsuccessful effort to repeal the assault weapons ban. And Barr famously introduced articles of impeachment against Clinton and served as a House manager in Clinton’s 1998 Senate trial. Barr could get “a lot of voters who are disenchanted with government in general,” Deal said. “Potentially, he could pick up Ron Paul supporters.”

  7. oilnwater
    April 23rd, 2008 at 22:58
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    Obama, Clinton, and McCain are the most racist candidates in the field.  As in, genocidally habitual racists.

  8. Tesh
    April 23rd, 2008 at 23:11
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    "bleating sheep who robotically repeat the same tired slogans we’ve seen on this site for months already"
    And this is different from the Obama/Clinton/McCain zombies how?

  9. Claudia
    April 23rd, 2008 at 23:26
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    Obama, Clinton, and McCain are the most racist candidates in the field.  As in, genocidally habitual racists.

    Ahhh, Jason isn’t it pleasant when we can put aside our constant Obama vs. Clinton battle and appreciate, as a group, the insanity that is the PaulBots?

  10. oilnwater
    April 24th, 2008 at 00:03

    admin: personal attack deleted

  11. Jason
    April 24th, 2008 at 00:31

    "bleating sheep who robotically repeat the same tired slogans we’ve seen on this site for months already" And this is different from the Obama/Clinton/McCain zombies how?

    Frequency and preponderance.

    Thanks for asking.

  12. Glenn
    April 24th, 2008 at 22:28

    Jason - your casual dismissal of the hundreds of thousands of Ron Paul supporters does nothing.  You may not like us, but such numbers & support, can, and has made a difference in elections.  But this is more than about winning an election, this is (or at least should be) a debate about what this country should hold dear (such as liberty and responsibility) — ideas that are worth repeating again & again.  Nothing you write here is new or even important — and your insulting style would be more at home in chat rooms than in any place pretending to be objectively critical.

  13. Michael van der Galien
    April 24th, 2008 at 22:32

    Glenn; with all due respect…

    The Ron Paul movement is nearly idiotic.

    O, and it’s not much of a movement.

  14. Glenn
    April 24th, 2008 at 22:59

    Michael "van der Galien" -

    What does throwing out words such as "idiotic" here accomplish?  Nothing, but prove what this site is populated by.  You can disagree, but if so, explain why.  If you & this site would prefer simple insults — let me know & I’ll adjust my language to suit.

  15. Michael van der Galien
    April 24th, 2008 at 23:09

    Glenn; numerous posts have been published at this site, explaining why many of Paul’s proposed policies would be disastrous, useless, etc.

    That’s one of the main reasons I don’t take your criticism too seriously; if you do a search, you’ll see the posts.

    And… admit it; there are quite some overly pro-Obama commenters out there. We were flooded a couple of times, with people going completely beserk if one dared to disagree with Paul on a given subject.

  16. Glenn
    April 24th, 2008 at 23:26

    It is fine and even constructive to disagree.  I take issue, however, when you dismiss & attempt to marginalize large groups you are not part of with simple insults.  You may not care what I think in regards to manner of speech & writing — in which case I ask:  Has your frustration with those who will not submit to your views reached a point such that further civil discourse is not possible & a long overdue break is due?

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