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	<title>Comments on: Jimmy Carter to Meet With Hamas</title>
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		<title>By: Jason, Managing Editor</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-65253</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason, Managing Editor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, Angela, but the only person spreading misinformation and &#34;propaganda&#34; on this thread is you.  Hamas' founding document openly calls for the genocidal extermination of Israel and the Jewish people.  There is no way to reconcile that fact with your (completely undocumented) claims that Hamas has made &#34;calls for peace&#34; or has &#34;agreed to a long-term truce&#34;.  Furthermore, Hamas' government has enacted education programs that actively teach children to hate and murder Jews at every opportunity and to seek "martyrdom" as the highest goal in human existence.  This is not compatible with your shined-up claim of a Hamas that seeks peace.  Your further claim that Israel has &#34;always been the first to strike&#34; is outright laughable in light of Hamas' &lt;em&gt;continual and unceasing&lt;/em&gt; bambardment of Israeli civilian villages in contrast to Israel's &lt;em&gt;occasional and temporary&lt;/em&gt; retaliatory incursions into Gaza.

As Daniel Moynihan used to say, you are entitled to you own opinions, but not to your own set of facts.  And the facts as you present them are just plain false.  There are legitimate grounds upon which to criticize Israeli policy.  But to try to do it by concocting a myth of a demonic Israel/USA axis combating an peace-loving Hamas goes beyond spin to outright fiction.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, Angela, but the only person spreading misinformation and &quot;propaganda&quot; on this thread is you.  Hamas&#8217; founding document openly calls for the genocidal extermination of Israel and the Jewish people.  There is no way to reconcile that fact with your (completely undocumented) claims that Hamas has made &quot;calls for peace&quot; or has &quot;agreed to a long-term truce&quot;.  Furthermore, Hamas&#8217; government has enacted education programs that actively teach children to hate and murder Jews at every opportunity and to seek &#8220;martyrdom&#8221; as the highest goal in human existence.  This is not compatible with your shined-up claim of a Hamas that seeks peace.  Your further claim that Israel has &quot;always been the first to strike&quot; is outright laughable in light of Hamas&#8217; <em>continual and unceasing</em> bambardment of Israeli civilian villages in contrast to Israel&#8217;s <em>occasional and temporary</em> retaliatory incursions into Gaza.</p>
<p>As Daniel Moynihan used to say, you are entitled to you own opinions, but not to your own set of facts.  And the facts as you present them are just plain false.  There are legitimate grounds upon which to criticize Israeli policy.  But to try to do it by concocting a myth of a demonic Israel/USA axis combating an peace-loving Hamas goes beyond spin to outright fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Angela</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-65252</link>
		<dc:creator>Angela</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-65252</guid>
		<description>This piece cannot be called a relevant news story. It is propaganda fed to the civilians in hopes of trying to hide the FACT that Israel could not starve, batter, and continuously deny pleas for peace with the Palestinians, without the United States of Americas full support, not only finacially but also morally. Israel is just a puppet of the United States and could do nothing, would be nothing, without their support. The USA is apparently an advocate of democracy and is attempting to bring democracy to the Middle East, yet when Palestine democratically votes in a group the USA does not support, Israel is allowed to almost completly cut off all food, electricity and water being sent to the Palestinians and withhold funds that were legally obligated to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority. All because the Palestinians voted the wrong way. Granted Hamas is extremist, but not as much as Israel or the United States. A good example of this is that Hamas agreed to a long term truce on the pre-june 1967 border, a two state settlement that is internationally recognized, and would continue to pursue negotiation on political settlement. Israel and the USA blatanly refused any peace negotiations, or any restrictions on their resorts to violence. Any political outcome for them must include Israels take over of large parts of the West Bank and thus continued abuse of the Palestinians there . Israel, of course always with USA support, has been way more violent than Hamas and has consistently been the first to strike. When Hamas retaliates, Israels attack is conveniently forgotten and Hamas is accused of attacking for no reason. Increased annexation and imprisonment of the Palestinians in the West Bank was another punishment for Palestinians democratically and fairly voting for Hamas and not the USA favoured Fatah. When will people stop believing all the lies force fed to them, start asking questions and actually looking into what they are told and not just believing it is true. The truth is there if you look, most people are just too scared to see it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This piece cannot be called a relevant news story. It is propaganda fed to the civilians in hopes of trying to hide the FACT that Israel could not starve, batter, and continuously deny pleas for peace with the Palestinians, without the United States of Americas full support, not only finacially but also morally. Israel is just a puppet of the United States and could do nothing, would be nothing, without their support. The USA is apparently an advocate of democracy and is attempting to bring democracy to the Middle East, yet when Palestine democratically votes in a group the USA does not support, Israel is allowed to almost completly cut off all food, electricity and water being sent to the Palestinians and withhold funds that were legally obligated to be transferred to the Palestinian Authority. All because the Palestinians voted the wrong way. Granted Hamas is extremist, but not as much as Israel or the United States. A good example of this is that Hamas agreed to a long term truce on the pre-june 1967 border, a two state settlement that is internationally recognized, and would continue to pursue negotiation on political settlement. Israel and the USA blatanly refused any peace negotiations, or any restrictions on their resorts to violence. Any political outcome for them must include Israels take over of large parts of the West Bank and thus continued abuse of the Palestinians there . Israel, of course always with USA support, has been way more violent than Hamas and has consistently been the first to strike. When Hamas retaliates, Israels attack is conveniently forgotten and Hamas is accused of attacking for no reason. Increased annexation and imprisonment of the Palestinians in the West Bank was another punishment for Palestinians democratically and fairly voting for Hamas and not the USA favoured Fatah. When will people stop believing all the lies force fed to them, start asking questions and actually looking into what they are told and not just believing it is true. The truth is there if you look, most people are just too scared to see it.</p>
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		<title>By: HobbesDFW</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-41230</link>
		<dc:creator>HobbesDFW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:24:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My editing really goes downhill when I get on a roll - the last fragment there should have been removed.</description>
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		<title>By: HobbesDFW</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-41228</link>
		<dc:creator>HobbesDFW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-41228</guid>
		<description>Three days since this post went up, it has been confirmed by all the primary MSM outlets.  So perhaps now Sasha can dispense with the false flag argument about whether the report is actually true just because Fox reported it first?  

Besides, I want to discuss Jimmy Carter, a man who instills the kind of pride in his fellow countrymen that MvdG must feel about Ruud Lubbers.  Twenty-eight years after having been shown the door by a disgusted US electorate (for which he still cannot forgive we ignorant wretches so full of &#34;malaise&#34;), he still hasn't figured out that he doesn't know what he is doing.  In fact, I think he stated recently that he only made one mistake during his presidency.  I don't know what that mistake was (didn't read the article all the way through), but for my money, it was his decision to run for president.  

His only two positive contributions to mankind remain the Camp David accords (for which most credit really belongs to Sadat and Begin), and paving the way for the election of an anti-Carter: Ronald Reagan.  And his foolish and ill-timed meddling in the negotiations between the US and the Norks left us with a treaty shot so full of holes (Bill Clinton, no friend of mine, is often unfairly blamed for this - just ask J. Carville how he feels about the Georgian peanut farmer) that Dear Leader was able to drive several mack trucks carrying fissile material through them.

And now, this thoroughly discredited buffoon seeks to repeat his command performance in North Korea by pursuing a policy of personal diplomacy independent of both the current US Administration and its antagonists in the State Department; both of which have strongly criticized the decision (a very rare moment of unanimity between the two).  Not very many Democrats have been supportive of these efforts either, probably because they don't want anyone in an election year to remember that he is one of their own.

Now that I am done venting, on to the main point: this risible action is notable not because of it sheer folly (Carter has made a lifetime of stupid statements and foolish decisions), but because is is AGAINST THE LAW.  The State Department had labeled Hamas a terrorist organization long before GWB entered the White House.  Facilitating and attending discussions with Hamas and Syria is not merely another example of Carter being stupid, it is a direct violation of the Logan Act.  It is not technically treason, as giving &#34;aid and comfort to the enemy&#34; cannot be proved legally - but it is deserving of an extended stay in the Greybar hotel.

Why does no one else think this is remarkable?  If Bob Dole had gone to Serbia and blamed the US for its confrontational policy vis-a-vis Bosnia or Kosovo, we would never have heard the end of it.  Of course, Dole would never have done such a thing, having too much respect for his country and its government (or to paraphrase the military dictum, &#34;salute the Commander-in-chief, not the man&#34;).  Is that the issue - by now, having grown use to the spectacle of this witless curmudgeon following his own (and no one else's) opinions to their disastrously logical conclusions, that the shock value is simply no longer there?

Of course, the idea that Carter has no respect for American law or institutions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three days since this post went up, it has been confirmed by all the primary MSM outlets.  So perhaps now Sasha can dispense with the false flag argument about whether the report is actually true just because Fox reported it first?  </p>
<p>Besides, I want to discuss Jimmy Carter, a man who instills the kind of pride in his fellow countrymen that MvdG must feel about Ruud Lubbers.  Twenty-eight years after having been shown the door by a disgusted US electorate (for which he still cannot forgive we ignorant wretches so full of &quot;malaise&quot;), he still hasn&#8217;t figured out that he doesn&#8217;t know what he is doing.  In fact, I think he stated recently that he only made one mistake during his presidency.  I don&#8217;t know what that mistake was (didn&#8217;t read the article all the way through), but for my money, it was his decision to run for president.  </p>
<p>His only two positive contributions to mankind remain the Camp David accords (for which most credit really belongs to Sadat and Begin), and paving the way for the election of an anti-Carter: Ronald Reagan.  And his foolish and ill-timed meddling in the negotiations between the US and the Norks left us with a treaty shot so full of holes (Bill Clinton, no friend of mine, is often unfairly blamed for this - just ask J. Carville how he feels about the Georgian peanut farmer) that Dear Leader was able to drive several mack trucks carrying fissile material through them.</p>
<p>And now, this thoroughly discredited buffoon seeks to repeat his command performance in North Korea by pursuing a policy of personal diplomacy independent of both the current US Administration and its antagonists in the State Department; both of which have strongly criticized the decision (a very rare moment of unanimity between the two).  Not very many Democrats have been supportive of these efforts either, probably because they don&#8217;t want anyone in an election year to remember that he is one of their own.</p>
<p>Now that I am done venting, on to the main point: this risible action is notable not because of it sheer folly (Carter has made a lifetime of stupid statements and foolish decisions), but because is is AGAINST THE LAW.  The State Department had labeled Hamas a terrorist organization long before GWB entered the White House.  Facilitating and attending discussions with Hamas and Syria is not merely another example of Carter being stupid, it is a direct violation of the Logan Act.  It is not technically treason, as giving &quot;aid and comfort to the enemy&quot; cannot be proved legally - but it is deserving of an extended stay in the Greybar hotel.</p>
<p>Why does no one else think this is remarkable?  If Bob Dole had gone to Serbia and blamed the US for its confrontational policy vis-a-vis Bosnia or Kosovo, we would never have heard the end of it.  Of course, Dole would never have done such a thing, having too much respect for his country and its government (or to paraphrase the military dictum, &quot;salute the Commander-in-chief, not the man&quot;).  Is that the issue - by now, having grown use to the spectacle of this witless curmudgeon following his own (and no one else&#8217;s) opinions to their disastrously logical conclusions, that the shock value is simply no longer there?</p>
<p>Of course, the idea that Carter has no respect for American law or institutions</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40293</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 22:28:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kevin - stop with the sarcasm already. Any reasonable person would know that a whole religion cannot be blamed for the decisions of a few....Hmm, that sounded more like US &#38; Israeli foreign policy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin - stop with the sarcasm already. Any reasonable person would know that a whole religion cannot be blamed for the decisions of a few&#8230;.Hmm, that sounded more like US &amp; Israeli foreign policy!</p>
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		<title>By: Pajamas Media &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Focus: Carter to Meet with Hamas Chief</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40276</link>
		<dc:creator>Pajamas Media &#187; Blog Archive &#187; In Focus: Carter to Meet with Hamas Chief</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 19:58:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] notes: &#8220;First Carter accuses Israel of being an Apartheid state, then he goes to meet with the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Nephew Sammy</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40245</link>
		<dc:creator>Nephew Sammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 17:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40245</guid>
		<description>Dear Israel,

If you feel this is a good time for a missile strike on Hamas, please use your most crosseyed markspeople and worst-maintained missiles, and use a lot of them.

We Americans will pay for the Chernobyl-sarcophagus you will need to build over the poisonous treasonous remains.

-Nephew Sammy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Israel,</p>
<p>If you feel this is a good time for a missile strike on Hamas, please use your most crosseyed markspeople and worst-maintained missiles, and use a lot of them.</p>
<p>We Americans will pay for the Chernobyl-sarcophagus you will need to build over the poisonous treasonous remains.</p>
<p>-Nephew Sammy</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Sullivan</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40234</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Sullivan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 16:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They also killed Jesus, lest we forget.
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40190</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 14:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40190</guid>
		<description>Yes yes, poor Hamas, so &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#.22Mickey_Mouse.22_children.27s_program_controversy" rel="nofollow"&gt;misunderstood&lt;/a&gt;. And Jimmy Carter, that &lt;a href="http://stubbornfacts.us/foreign_policy/thanks_for_that_reminder_jimmy" rel="nofollow"&gt;Superman of statesmanship&lt;/a&gt;. How could we ever misdoubt his intentions...or abilities?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes yes, poor Hamas, so <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas#.22Mickey_Mouse.22_children.27s_program_controversy" rel="nofollow">misunderstood</a>. And Jimmy Carter, that <a href="http://stubbornfacts.us/foreign_policy/thanks_for_that_reminder_jimmy" rel="nofollow">Superman of statesmanship</a>. How could we ever misdoubt his intentions&#8230;or abilities?</p>
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		<title>By: Sasha</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/04/09/jimmy-carter-to-meet-with-hamas/#comment-40183</link>
		<dc:creator>Sasha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2008 13:48:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't understand why someone would use anything from Fox when we all know that they are the comic book of the media world. Its like useing Denis the Menace as a serious social debate on chilhood behaviour problems. 
 All these people that state that because you are against the Occupation of Palestine somehow this makes you an advocate for the extermination of all Jewish people is total nonsense and propoganda. It was the Zionists who have invited poor Jews from around the world with the promise of Land, Work and Money to live on someone elses home, blame them for the owners fighting to get their land back, not Hamas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t understand why someone would use anything from Fox when we all know that they are the comic book of the media world. Its like useing Denis the Menace as a serious social debate on chilhood behaviour problems.<br />
 All these people that state that because you are against the Occupation of Palestine somehow this makes you an advocate for the extermination of all Jewish people is total nonsense and propoganda. It was the Zionists who have invited poor Jews from around the world with the promise of Land, Work and Money to live on someone elses home, blame them for the owners fighting to get their land back, not Hamas.</p>
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