Next up Pennsylvania….NOT

So Clinton has crushed Obama in Ohio and squeeked by in Texas. She’s now again where she was after super-Tuesday, and if she wins Pennsylvania, which is the next relevant state, she’ll again be on her way to getting the nomination. Right?

Wrong.

First comes Wyoming next Saturday (another one of those “insignificant” states Clinton didn’t bother to set up much of a shop in). After that it’s Mississippi, with 39 delegates and a very strong African American population. Then comes Pennsylvania, where Clinton is up by nearly 10 points but that primary is over a month away, which is eons in election time. Of course there’s no reason to suppose that Obama would necessarily close the gap in that time, Clinton could widen that lead, but it’s quite possible that by the time Pennsylvania rolls around, Obama will have recovered his lead in delegates in the smaller states.

Then Clinton could again pull a firewall in Pennsylvania. Let’s suppose she won, which is quite possible. Barring disasters in the Obama camp, it will not be a blowout victory. After Pennsylvania comes Indiana North Carolina, a state that could easily turn out the same way it’s Southern sister did. I haven’t found any information on the tendencies in Indiana, if you have any info leave it in the comments and I’ll update accordingly.

The point? Settle in, it’s going to be a long ride, and Clinton will have to do pretty much EVERYTHING right (or wrong, see Jason’s post below) to make the nomination.

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  1. wj
    March 5th, 2008 at 18:48
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    How much did Obama’s lead in delegates actually drop yesterday?  I’ve seen counts ranging from a dozen down to one (1!).  Hardly a major shrinkage either way.  And, as you say, he’s likely to widen his margin again in the next couple of (small) states.  Which means that Pennsylvania would have to go really big for Clinton to make up the difference.

    Somehow it seems from here like she’ll have to get the Michigan and Florida delegates in (and without the re-vote that is being discussed) to get back to parity.  Or is there a realistic chance that she can reel in enough of the undecided superdelegates to offset the Obama lead in pledged delegates?

  2. Michael van der Galien
    March 5th, 2008 at 18:54
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    WJ: yeah.  I saw something interesting on television. They think that many superdelegates could still go to Clinton. Why? Because they’ll choose the person they think is best capable of winning in November. The reasoning of quite some of them is, right now: if Obama can’t take a beating from Hillary now, how in earth is he going to fight back against the Republicans?

    And: both of them may not collect enough delegates to win it. Both of them will be dependent on others. What Hillary, then, hopes is - many think - to create momentum going into a possible convention.
    It’s an interesting development.

  3. kranky kritter
    March 5th, 2008 at 22:17
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    If the superdelegates hand the nom to Clinton despite Obama being ahead in conventionally determined delegates, the public perception will be that the superdelegates overturned the wishes of the public. The superdelegates may do this anyway, but only with the very greatest reluctance. Remember, many of these folks are elected officials with jobs they want to keep. None of them is eager to be marked as one of the folks who helped kill Bambi.

  4. Rich Horton
    March 5th, 2008 at 22:46
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    If the superdelegates hand the nom to Clinton despite Obama being ahead in conventionally determined delegates, the public perception will be that the superdelegates overturned the wishes of the public.

    Funny, I’ll think Obama used his financial advantage to buy caucus states where he has no chance to win in November, in an attempt to avoid the will of the people.

    The system the Democrats has constructed is anti-thetical to real democracy, and it will remain so no matter who wins the nomination.

    There will be no "clean" nominee.  There won’t even be one "cleaner" than the other.

  5. Abraham Lincoln
    March 6th, 2008 at 16:12
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    Funny, I?ll think Obama used his financial advantage to buy caucus states where he has no chance to win in November, in an attempt to avoid the will of the people.Please. Extract your head from where ever it is lodged. Obama is not responsible for the caucuses- the party is.  His  wins there are more attributable to a better grass roots organization, and by raising at least twice if not more money than Hillary does- whether he is up or down.Obama may not win the small states in the general. And many of the big states Hillary won will vote Democrat even if ELMO ran as the nominee. I’d use the critical swing states as a measure of electability and how they are doing with perceptions of electability against McCain. They are even on the former, and he is winning on the latter.There would have been a clean nominee, if the more experienced candidate had not decided to act like a Republican.  But people like you seem intent to out rove Rove. Good luck with your fragmented party and big loss in November. Republicans have conducted their race with far more class than you guys have. 

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