<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Moderate Is As Moderate Does</title>
	<atom:link href="http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/</link>
	<description>News and Analysis from Different Moderate Perspectives</description>
	<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 22:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
	<generator>http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2</generator>
		<item>
		<title>By: Polar Bear Adoption</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-53400</link>
		<dc:creator>Polar Bear Adoption</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 01:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-53400</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;Polar Bear Adoption...&lt;/strong&gt;

Reading this once already puts me onto the right track....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Polar Bear Adoption&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Reading this once already puts me onto the right track&#8230;.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: free website traffic counter</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-31371</link>
		<dc:creator>free website traffic counter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 12:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-31371</guid>
		<description>&lt;strong&gt;free website traffic counter...&lt;/strong&gt;

First time here, thanks for the idea...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>free website traffic counter&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>First time here, thanks for the idea&#8230;</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Callimachus</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27545</link>
		<dc:creator>Callimachus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 04:44:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27545</guid>
		<description>I liked Paul's post, personally. I just wish I could find the site he's writing about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Paul&#8217;s post, personally. I just wish I could find the site he&#8217;s writing about.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: redish</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27525</link>
		<dc:creator>redish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 02:08:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27525</guid>
		<description>All i'm saying is that common ground positions do exist.

The reason the center is so important in modern politics, is because politics is about finding common ground. Its about mediating different parties and creating policy based on stable, permanent coalitions.

Claudia,--

the thing is the points you make which make out Bush as a hard leftist in the early 20th century, is that its interpretation also. Most people in America at least agreed in the early 20th century that we needed to move towards greater suffrage rights, for instance. Even the South, in defending slavery, deplored it as a moral evil, but argued that power differences were a always present and necessary condition of mankind, and that Northern factory workers were oppressed also. The South, however, was obstinate to the fact that historic circumstances would have to change through war. Womens rights too became an issue just because the role of women in society changed; they were no longer bound to housework and started engaging in social work and politics at a non-voting level. Historical change is what changes politics; politics doesn't change by act of will.

However, there were a lot of changes done in the name of abolishing slavery that we still are dealing with the wreckage of. States rights vs federal power. Positive liberty vs negative liberty. Objective theories on race and culture vs. cultural and racial relativism.

There is still wreckage from the push for womens rights that we're still dealing with; like the role of men in decisions on abortion and custody, the status of prostitutes with legal protection.

So, I think people are sometimes not keen to the fact, that whats changed are institutions more than values. And politics always changes to clean up the problems we created in the last generation, because each new change creates new issues to deal with.

And I think this is a big mistake when people try to compare gay rights politics to black civil rights. Our laws may change in the future, but the reason the country is split on the issue, is because its about sexuality, and sometimes people are more conservative on sex and sometimes more liberal. The reason we're split on abortion, is because its also another wedge issue, because it defined as life-and-death and its a matter of opinion when to mark the beginning of life (though there are rational, practical boundaries).

And the way you apply this to Bush for instance; is characterizing him as supporting less rights for gays than straights. Conservatives don't consider marriage in terms of a basic right for individuals, they consider it in terms of a social institution, that has social purpose, not individual purpose.

Which is what I mean. To understand what the common ground is, you have to understand why each side chooses different positions; (instead of dismissing one side as idiots); and then, from there, understand where government should be involved and where it should not be involved.

This is always refined over the course of history, and some things are never resolved, but we have points in time where we have a social discourse that can bring us to understand why we're dealing with the issues we're faced with in the first place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All i&#8217;m saying is that common ground positions do exist.</p>
<p>The reason the center is so important in modern politics, is because politics is about finding common ground. Its about mediating different parties and creating policy based on stable, permanent coalitions.</p>
<p>Claudia,&#8211;</p>
<p>the thing is the points you make which make out Bush as a hard leftist in the early 20th century, is that its interpretation also. Most people in America at least agreed in the early 20th century that we needed to move towards greater suffrage rights, for instance. Even the South, in defending slavery, deplored it as a moral evil, but argued that power differences were a always present and necessary condition of mankind, and that Northern factory workers were oppressed also. The South, however, was obstinate to the fact that historic circumstances would have to change through war. Womens rights too became an issue just because the role of women in society changed; they were no longer bound to housework and started engaging in social work and politics at a non-voting level. Historical change is what changes politics; politics doesn&#8217;t change by act of will.</p>
<p>However, there were a lot of changes done in the name of abolishing slavery that we still are dealing with the wreckage of. States rights vs federal power. Positive liberty vs negative liberty. Objective theories on race and culture vs. cultural and racial relativism.</p>
<p>There is still wreckage from the push for womens rights that we&#8217;re still dealing with; like the role of men in decisions on abortion and custody, the status of prostitutes with legal protection.</p>
<p>So, I think people are sometimes not keen to the fact, that whats changed are institutions more than values. And politics always changes to clean up the problems we created in the last generation, because each new change creates new issues to deal with.</p>
<p>And I think this is a big mistake when people try to compare gay rights politics to black civil rights. Our laws may change in the future, but the reason the country is split on the issue, is because its about sexuality, and sometimes people are more conservative on sex and sometimes more liberal. The reason we&#8217;re split on abortion, is because its also another wedge issue, because it defined as life-and-death and its a matter of opinion when to mark the beginning of life (though there are rational, practical boundaries).</p>
<p>And the way you apply this to Bush for instance; is characterizing him as supporting less rights for gays than straights. Conservatives don&#8217;t consider marriage in terms of a basic right for individuals, they consider it in terms of a social institution, that has social purpose, not individual purpose.</p>
<p>Which is what I mean. To understand what the common ground is, you have to understand why each side chooses different positions; (instead of dismissing one side as idiots); and then, from there, understand where government should be involved and where it should not be involved.</p>
<p>This is always refined over the course of history, and some things are never resolved, but we have points in time where we have a social discourse that can bring us to understand why we&#8217;re dealing with the issues we&#8217;re faced with in the first place.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: vecene</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27356</link>
		<dc:creator>vecene</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:36:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27356</guid>
		<description>Discussions, IMO, are poisoned by the current obsession with labeling opinions and the people who express them according to where they fall (as per the subjective interpretations of  responders)  on the political curve.  If discussions could just stick to the issue at thand, without worry about the political tribe someone belongs to,  we could go much further in understanding both the issue and our society in general much better. If someone's expressed thinking  makes sense, what does it matter if the writer is moderate, a centrist, or a political agnostic? If the problem is finding a way to cross a river, we should not be obseessed with trying to determine whether the proposed bridge is a conservatve bridge, a liberal bridge or a centeist bridge.  All we need to assess is whether the bridge will safely support our passage to the other bank.  How we assess the proposed bridge will naturally express political biases, but, in the end, it's the bridge that's in question, not its label and not the label  thrust on its designer. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Discussions, IMO, are poisoned by the current obsession with labeling opinions and the people who express them according to where they fall (as per the subjective interpretations of  responders)  on the political curve.  If discussions could just stick to the issue at thand, without worry about the political tribe someone belongs to,  we could go much further in understanding both the issue and our society in general much better. If someone&#8217;s expressed thinking  makes sense, what does it matter if the writer is moderate, a centrist, or a political agnostic? If the problem is finding a way to cross a river, we should not be obseessed with trying to determine whether the proposed bridge is a conservatve bridge, a liberal bridge or a centeist bridge.  All we need to assess is whether the bridge will safely support our passage to the other bank.  How we assess the proposed bridge will naturally express political biases, but, in the end, it&#8217;s the bridge that&#8217;s in question, not its label and not the label  thrust on its designer. </p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27352</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27352</guid>
		<description>Polimom: great to see you comment. One of my co-bloggers told me to invite you to get on board here, but I didn't ask you because you're writing for TMV. People: PoliMom is also one of the few, good moderate voices on the internet. Be sure to visit her site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Polimom: great to see you comment. One of my co-bloggers told me to invite you to get on board here, but I didn&#8217;t ask you because you&#8217;re writing for TMV. People: PoliMom is also one of the few, good moderate voices on the internet. Be sure to visit her site.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Polimom</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27351</link>
		<dc:creator>Polimom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 16:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27351</guid>
		<description>It seems like forever since a discussion like this has kicked up, but it generates no less dialogue today than it did a year ago.

Jason said:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Personally, centrism isn’t very important to me, but moderation is. I can accommodate and am eager to debate a wide range of views, provided that it is done with a modicum of respect.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;I agree with that for the most part.  When the tone is belligerent, it really doesn't matter much what the underlying substance is.  OTOH, there are views on both the extreme left and right that, no matter how moderately couched, keep me from engaging.  The starting point for debate is just too close to the edge.

So is TMV moderate?  I think it is, for the most part.  Is it centrist?  Some writers are, and some are not.  But I don't see anybody hanging their ideological pens off the edge of the cliff there, any more than here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems like forever since a discussion like this has kicked up, but it generates no less dialogue today than it did a year ago.</p>
<p>Jason said:</p>
<blockquote><p>Personally, centrism isn’t very important to me, but moderation is. I can accommodate and am eager to debate a wide range of views, provided that it is done with a modicum of respect.
</p></blockquote>
<p>I agree with that for the most part.  When the tone is belligerent, it really doesn&#8217;t matter much what the underlying substance is.  OTOH, there are views on both the extreme left and right that, no matter how moderately couched, keep me from engaging.  The starting point for debate is just too close to the edge.</p>
<p>So is TMV moderate?  I think it is, for the most part.  Is it centrist?  Some writers are, and some are not.  But I don&#8217;t see anybody hanging their ideological pens off the edge of the cliff there, any more than here.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Michael van der Galien</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27320</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael van der Galien</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27320</guid>
		<description>Jason, just ignore those people. they're idiots. 

As for Paul's post - I have to say that of all the people in the blogosphere, I think that, generally, Pete Abel and Paul are among the most 'truly Centrist' people out there... normally. Paul seems to be more left now, not sure whether he was always like that, but he is, still, a &lt;em&gt;moderate&lt;/em&gt;. His approach is at least. 

This comment especially made me laugh out loud:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Michael and Jason also threatened/bullied commenters and front pagers who didn't agree with their &#34;moderation&#34;. The non-US contributors at TMV were attacked for an anti-US bias. A moderate or centrist site needs view points from both ends to present both sides of an argument. As Cosmo mentioned, some who didn't agree with &#34;orthodoxy&#34; were bullied and threatened with &#34;barring from the site&#34;. Articles from foreign that question &#34;American exceptionalism&#34; are evil...
&lt;/blockquote&gt;LOL. Yeah that's it. We wanted to shut down opposing voices. We hate people who disagree with us. In fact, if we could legally do so we would shoot them. First torturing them, then shooting them of course.

Hilariosu stuff.

Interesting to see that Cosmo forgets to mention that he's angry with me because I deleted his comments accusing me of being a Nazi and holocaust denier, etc. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason, just ignore those people. they&#8217;re idiots. </p>
<p>As for Paul&#8217;s post - I have to say that of all the people in the blogosphere, I think that, generally, Pete Abel and Paul are among the most &#8216;truly Centrist&#8217; people out there&#8230; normally. Paul seems to be more left now, not sure whether he was always like that, but he is, still, a <em>moderate</em>. His approach is at least. </p>
<p>This comment especially made me laugh out loud:</p>
<blockquote><p>Michael and Jason also threatened/bullied commenters and front pagers who didn&#8217;t agree with their &quot;moderation&quot;. The non-US contributors at TMV were attacked for an anti-US bias. A moderate or centrist site needs view points from both ends to present both sides of an argument. As Cosmo mentioned, some who didn&#8217;t agree with &quot;orthodoxy&quot; were bullied and threatened with &quot;barring from the site&quot;. Articles from foreign that question &quot;American exceptionalism&quot; are evil&#8230;
</p></blockquote>
<p>LOL. Yeah that&#8217;s it. We wanted to shut down opposing voices. We hate people who disagree with us. In fact, if we could legally do so we would shoot them. First torturing them, then shooting them of course.</p>
<p>Hilariosu stuff.</p>
<p>Interesting to see that Cosmo forgets to mention that he&#8217;s angry with me because I deleted his comments accusing me of being a Nazi and holocaust denier, etc.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27317</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27317</guid>
		<description>Addendum to paragraph 1 in #17: What I'm saying is that just because we've moved to the left in accepting govt solutions on issue 1, 2, and 3, doesn't mean we should start to the left of center when we discuss each new issue. That seems to be a common thread in your discussions, Claudia, like when you say that accepting a nationalized health system shouldn't be such a big deal because we've long moved past the discussion of public education being a given. For one thing, this makes presumptions that just aren't true (as I argued yesterday, that there are significant differences in the ability to limit healthcare provisions as compared to limiting education that falls under the govt domain); and for another, whether consciously or not, you're trying to claim more ground for 'your side' than it should legitimately have. And that's exactly why progress is impeded when conservatives feel the need to put brakes on in order to prevent falling down slippery slopes. You in fact are arguing that the slippery slope should be a reason to enact the types of programs that you favor- while we're saying that each new idea or program MUST be only considered on its own merits (of course there's also the fact that even the programs you use to justify the creation of new programs aren't proving their own merits, as in our ever-growing and ever-decreasing-in-quality public education system.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Addendum to paragraph 1 in #17: What I&#8217;m saying is that just because we&#8217;ve moved to the left in accepting govt solutions on issue 1, 2, and 3, doesn&#8217;t mean we should start to the left of center when we discuss each new issue. That seems to be a common thread in your discussions, Claudia, like when you say that accepting a nationalized health system shouldn&#8217;t be such a big deal because we&#8217;ve long moved past the discussion of public education being a given. For one thing, this makes presumptions that just aren&#8217;t true (as I argued yesterday, that there are significant differences in the ability to limit healthcare provisions as compared to limiting education that falls under the govt domain); and for another, whether consciously or not, you&#8217;re trying to claim more ground for &#8216;your side&#8217; than it should legitimately have. And that&#8217;s exactly why progress is impeded when conservatives feel the need to put brakes on in order to prevent falling down slippery slopes. You in fact are arguing that the slippery slope should be a reason to enact the types of programs that you favor- while we&#8217;re saying that each new idea or program MUST be only considered on its own merits (of course there&#8217;s also the fact that even the programs you use to justify the creation of new programs aren&#8217;t proving their own merits, as in our ever-growing and ever-decreasing-in-quality public education system.)</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27313</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/#comment-27313</guid>
		<description>Claudia, on economic issues there certainly is a midpoint- it's the point at which we stop approaching issues from the laissez faire, free market aspect and instead apply govt interference or regulation on the economy. I'm not denying that we have moved to the left of center, but that debates on economic (and size of govt with respect to economic interventions) should always center at the true midpoint, or else conservativism gets completely thrown by the wayside.

The social issues, yes, that's a bit different, although I'll bet it's possible to also define a centerpoint between govt allowing complete individual liberty and govt interceding on the behalf of certain social mores and values. I agree this is a lot trickier and I'm willing to accept that we don't have to find that midpoint, as long as we recognize that extremists on these issues exist because those whose positions are more centrist simply don't care that much about the issues. To that end, one way that centrists can help mediate and modulate the extremism is to acknowledge that which is important to people who reside on the left and right (or as redish said, to stop marginalizing those people.) I think a lot of centrists believe that the opposite is the goal- to ignore the extremists and they will go away. Instead, I think centrists should help negotiate between the two sides by figuring out what is essential to each side and finding the 'third way' approach. For example, on abortion that might be to work toward more assistance for pregnant women (and adoption opportunities) as well as working for more education and access to birth control, in order to reduce the number of abortions. On gay marriage, a centrist might work toward legislation which preserves 'sanctity' of marriage for those heterosexuals who enter into a covenental marriage, while also providing for civil unions that are open (and equal) for gays and heterosexuals. Of course the extremists still aren't going to accept these solutions easily, but centrists could work to convince people that those on each side have to compromise while also holding to some core values or goals that are most important to them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Claudia, on economic issues there certainly is a midpoint- it&#8217;s the point at which we stop approaching issues from the laissez faire, free market aspect and instead apply govt interference or regulation on the economy. I&#8217;m not denying that we have moved to the left of center, but that debates on economic (and size of govt with respect to economic interventions) should always center at the true midpoint, or else conservativism gets completely thrown by the wayside.</p>
<p>The social issues, yes, that&#8217;s a bit different, although I&#8217;ll bet it&#8217;s possible to also define a centerpoint between govt allowing complete individual liberty and govt interceding on the behalf of certain social mores and values. I agree this is a lot trickier and I&#8217;m willing to accept that we don&#8217;t have to find that midpoint, as long as we recognize that extremists on these issues exist because those whose positions are more centrist simply don&#8217;t care that much about the issues. To that end, one way that centrists can help mediate and modulate the extremism is to acknowledge that which is important to people who reside on the left and right (or as redish said, to stop marginalizing those people.) I think a lot of centrists believe that the opposite is the goal- to ignore the extremists and they will go away. Instead, I think centrists should help negotiate between the two sides by figuring out what is essential to each side and finding the &#8216;third way&#8217; approach. For example, on abortion that might be to work toward more assistance for pregnant women (and adoption opportunities) as well as working for more education and access to birth control, in order to reduce the number of abortions. On gay marriage, a centrist might work toward legislation which preserves &#8217;sanctity&#8217; of marriage for those heterosexuals who enter into a covenental marriage, while also providing for civil unions that are open (and equal) for gays and heterosexuals. Of course the extremists still aren&#8217;t going to accept these solutions easily, but centrists could work to convince people that those on each side have to compromise while also holding to some core values or goals that are most important to them.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.1//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml11/DTD/xhtml11.dtd">


<html xmlns="http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml">
<head profile="http://gmpg.org/xfn/11">
	<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8" />
	<title>PoliGazette &raquo; Moderate Is As Moderate Does</title>
	<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0 - all posts" href="http://www.poligazette.com/feed/" />
	<link rel="alternate" type="application/rss+xml" title="RSS 2.0 - all comments" href="http://www.poligazette.com/comments/feed/" />
	<link rel="pingback" href="http://www.poligazette.com/xmlrpc.php" />

	<!-- style START -->
	<style type="text/css" media="screen">@import url( http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/themes/blocks2/style.css );</style>
		<!-- style END -->

	<!-- script START -->
			<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/themes/blocks2/js/menu.js"></script>
		<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/themes/blocks2/js/util.js"></script>
	<!-- script END -->
	<link rel="EditURI" type="application/rsd+xml" title="RSD" href="http://www.poligazette.com/xmlrpc.php?rsd" />
<link rel="wlwmanifest" type="application/wlwmanifest+xml" href="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-includes/wlwmanifest.xml" /> 
<script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/vipers-video-quicktags/resources/swfobject.js?ver=2.1'></script>
<script type='text/javascript' src='http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/flexo-archives-widget/flexo.js?ver=2.6.2'></script>
<meta name="generator" content="WordPress 2.6.2" />


			<!-- Added by "del.icio.us - Bookmark this!", a WordPress Plugin of Arne Brachhold, v1.2 -->
			<script type="text/javascript" language="JavaScript">
				//<![CDATA[
				//Bookmark on del.icio.us
				function dbt_bookmark(targetURL,service) {
					//URL of this document
					if(!service) service='delicious';
					var loc=(targetURL && targetURL.length>0?targetURL:location.href);
					//Strip out any anchors
					var apos=loc.indexOf('#');
					loc=encodeURIComponent((apos>0?loc.substring(0,apos):loc));
					
					//Get Title and encode
					var title = encodeURIComponent(document.title); 
					
					var url='';
					
					//Redirect to service
					if(service=='digg') url='http://www.digg.com/submit?phase=2&url=' + loc + '&title=' + title;
					else if(service=='newsvine') url='http://www.newsvine.com/_tools/seed&save?u=' + loc + '&h=' + title;
					else if(service=='furl') url='http://www.furl.net/storeIt.jsp?p=1&u='+ loc +'&t=' + title;
					else if(service=='blinklist') url='http://www.blinklist.com/index.php?Action=Blink/addblink.php&Description=&Url=' + loc + '&Title=' + title;
					else url='http://del.icio.us/post?v=2&url=' + loc + '&amp;title=' + title;
					
					location.href = url;
					return false;
				}
				//]]>
			</script>
			<script charset="utf-8" type="text/javascript" src="http://w.sharethis.com/widget/?tabs=web%2Cpost%2Cemail&amp;amp;charset=utf-8&amp;amp;style=default&amp;amp;publisher=15aea2aa-cb41-4868-bb12-847a96b25368&amp;publisher=3d55db58-1832-4ff3-aa53-97ac98495008&amp;wp=2.6.2"></script><link rel="stylesheet" type="text/css" media="screen" href="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/sociable.css" />
<!-- Viper's Video Quicktags v6.1.4 | http://www.viper007bond.com/wordpress-plugins/vipers-video-quicktags/ -->
<style type="text/css">
.vvqbox { display: block; max-width: 100%; visibility: visible !important; margin: 10px auto; } .vvqbox img { max-width: 100%; height: 100%; } .vvqbox object { max-width: 100%; } 
</style>
<script type="text/javascript">
// <![CDATA[
	var vvqflashvars = {};
	var vvqparams = { wmode: "opaque", allowfullscreen: "true" };
	var vvqattributes = {};
	var vvqexpressinstall = "http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/vipers-video-quicktags/resources/expressinstall.swf";
// ]]>
</script>
	
	<!-- BEGIN PJM SETUP CODE -->
	<!-- BEGIN PJM IMAGE SCRIPT -->
	<script src="http://commons.pajamasmedia.com/js/pajamas.js" language="javascript" type="text/javascript"></script>
	<!-- END PJM IMAGE SCRIPT -->
	<script language="Javascript">
	<!--
	var axel = Math.random() + "";
	var ord = axel * 1000000000000000000;
	//-->
	</script>
	<!-- PJM CONTENT PAGE FUTURE SPOT 1-->
	<!-- END PJM SETUP CODE -->

	
</head>


<body>
	<div id="wrap">
		<div id="container">

<!-- header START -->
<div id="header">
	<div id="title">
		
		<h1><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/"><IMG SRC="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/themes/blocks2/images/poli-gazette-compass-2.png" WIDTH=635 HEIGHT=77 id="logo"></a></h1>
		<div id="tagline">News and Analysis from Different Moderate Perspectives</div>
	</div>

	<!-- WordPress searchbox -->
	<div class="searchbox">
		<form action="http://www.poligazette.com/" method="get">
			<div class="content">
				<input type="text" class="textfield" name="s" size="24" value="" />
				<input type="submit" class="button" value="Search" />
			</div>
		</form>
	</div>

	<div class="fixed"></div>
</div>
<!-- header END -->

<!-- content START -->
<div id="content">

	<!-- menubar START -->
	<div id="menubar">
		<ul class="menus">
			<li class="page_item"><a title="Home" href="http://www.poligazette.com/">Home</a></li>
			<li class="page_item page-item-5788"><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/poligazette-the-right-of-center-news-and-opinion-site/" title="PG Analysis">PG Analysis</a></li>
<li class="page_item page-item-7488"><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/columns/" title="Columns">Columns</a></li>
<li class="page_item page-item-1820"><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/partners/" title="Partners">Partners</a></li>
<li class="page_item page-item-1819"><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/blogroll/" title="Blogroll">Blogroll</a></li>
<li class="page_item page-item-5"><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/about/" title="About">About</a></li>
		</ul>
		<div id="subscribe" class="feed">
			<a title="Subscribe to this blog..." class="feedlink" href="http://www.poligazette.com/feed/"><abbr title="Really Simple Syndication">RSS</abbr> feed</a>
							<ul>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with Xian Guo"	href="http://www.xianguo.com/subscribe.php?url=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">					Xian Guo	</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with Zhua Xia"	href="http://www.zhuaxia.com/add_channel.php?url=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">					Zhua Xia	</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with Yodao"		href="http://reader.yodao.com/#url=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">								Yodao	</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with Google"		href="http://fusion.google.com/add?feedurl=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">						Google	</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with netvibes"	href="http://www.netvibes.com/subscribe.php?url=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">					netvibes	</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with newsgator"	href="http://www.newsgator.com/ngs/subscriber/subfext.aspx?url=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">	newsgator</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with Bloglines"	href="http://www.bloglines.com/sub/http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">								Bloglines</a></li>
					<li><a title="Subscribe with iNezha"		href="http://inezha.com/add?url=http://www.poligazette.com/feed/">									iNezha	</a></li>
				</ul>
					</div>

		<span id="copyright">
			Copyright &copy; 2006-2009			PoliGazette		</span>
		<div class="fixed"></div>
	</div>
	<!-- menubar END -->

	<!-- main START -->
	<div id="main">
<script type="text/javascript">
var gaJsHost = (("https:" == document.location.protocol) ? "https://ssl." : "http://www.");
document.write(unescape("%3Cscript src='" + gaJsHost + "google-analytics.com/ga.js' type='text/javascript'%3E%3C/script%3E"));
</script>
<script type="text/javascript">
try {
var pageTracker = _gat._getTracker("UA-6915559-1");
pageTracker._trackPageview();
} catch(err) {}</script>




	<div class="post" id="post-3280">
	<div class="caption">
		<h2 class="title"><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/25/moderate-is-as-moderate-does/" rel="bookmark">Moderate Is As Moderate Does</a></h2>
		<!-- ratings -->
				<div class="fixed"></div>
	</div>
	<div class="meta">
		<div class="info">
			February 25th, 2008 By: <strong>Jason, Managing Editor</strong>
			 | Tags: 		</div>
		<div class="comments"></div>
		<div class="fixed"></div>
	</div>

	<div class="content">
		<p>Over at The Moderate Voice (TMV), <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/moderates/18005/are-you-a-moderatecentrist/">Paul Silver posts</a> what amounts to an advertisement for TMV as the exemplar of the moderate blogosphere.  In doing so, he calls into question about what really constitutes a &#8220;moderate&#8221; form of politics.  And I honestly cannot agree that TMV represents it within the blogging world.  More important, however, the false advertising of &#8220;moderate&#8221; says something broader about our dysfunctional political culture.<span id="more-3280"></span></p>
<p>First, we have to define a couple of terms, because moderation and centrism are often confused.  Centrism best refers to orientation on issues arrayed on some kind of spectrum, usually the traditional left/right version that has become the standard by which American liberal vs. conservative politics are driven.  Moderation is more about style, a way of expressing political commitments while avoiding the demonization of the other side.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, TMV fails to fulfill its advertising on both fronts.  Because it is difficult to find any articles praising of conservatives or critical of liberals (except occasionally for not hating conservatives enough), it is not possible to classify TMV as an exemplar of centrism.  And because TMV features several authors who say some of the most outrageously demonizing things towards those they disagree with (even going after them personally in grudges), it is not possible to accept the site as an exemplar of moderation.</p>
<p>But does it matter or is this just petty blogwarring?  Perhaps it could be seen as petty &#8212; I don&#8217;t claim to be exempt from personal prejudices &#8212; but when a site bills itself as &#8220;The Moderate Voice&#8221;, it seems to adopt some kind of responsibility, however informal, to at least attempt to be, you know, moderate.  And consistently angry partisanship, blacklisting and personal vendettas don&#8217;t really seem to me to fit the bill.</p>
<p>More important, however, is how this kind of thing functions more broadly in American politics.  &#8220;Moderate&#8221; is not usually used analytically, but rather as a partisan tool to differentiate the &#8220;good&#8221; people from the &#8220;bad&#8221; people.  Thus, dissenters from Republican orthodoxy (i.e. Nebraska&#8217;s Chuck Hagel) are often seen in liberal circles described as &#8220;moderates&#8221; while dissenters from Democratic orthodoxy are described as something worse, like &#8220;neocon&#8221; or &#8220;traitor&#8221; (just ask Joe Lieberman).   &#8220;Moderate&#8221; also serves to present oneself as the image of reasonableness while concealing underlying biases.  In short, &#8220;moderate&#8221; is used as a marketing term, not a genuine reflection of commitment to a moderate or centrist politics.</p>
<p>And &#8220;The Moderate Voice&#8221; is useful as an easy to access demonstration of this larger problem.</p>
<p>Of course, this begs the question of whether we here at PoliGazette live up to our own claim to be &#8220;moderately conservative&#8221;.  I think the best we can say is that we try to.  We try to avoid demonization and name-calling towards those we disagree with.  We try to avoid the extreme characterizations of others&#8217; motives as evil and malign and vicious.  We try to focus on what actors DO.  And we sometimes fail at it and then try to move on.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t blacklist those that criticize or disagree with us.  We don&#8217;t assume they are all bad people.  We argue back.  We think that is &#8220;moderate&#8221;.  You be the judge.</p>
<p>&copy;2009 <a href="http://www.poligazette.com">PoliGazette</a>. All Rights Reserved.</p>.
<div class="sociable">
<div class="sociable_tagline">
<strong>Share and Enjoy:</strong>
</div>
<ul>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://digg.com/submit?phase=2&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;title=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="Digg"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/digg.png" title="Digg" alt="Digg" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://del.icio.us/post?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;title=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="del.icio.us"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/delicious.png" title="del.icio.us" alt="del.icio.us" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://technorati.com/faves?add=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F" title="Technorati"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/technorati.png" title="Technorati" alt="Technorati" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.sphere.com/search?q=sphereit:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;title=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="SphereIt"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/sphere.png" title="SphereIt" alt="SphereIt" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.newsvine.com/_tools/seed&amp;save?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;h=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="NewsVine"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/newsvine.png" title="NewsVine" alt="NewsVine" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://tailrank.com/share/?text=&amp;link_href=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;title=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="TailRank"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/tailrank.png" title="TailRank" alt="TailRank" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://reddit.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;title=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="Reddit"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/reddit.png" title="Reddit" alt="Reddit" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
	<li><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.stumbleupon.com/submit?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.poligazette.com%2F2008%2F02%2F25%2Fmoderate-is-as-moderate-does%2F&amp;title=Moderate%20Is%20As%20Moderate%20Does" title="StumbleUpon"><img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/plugins/sociable/images/stumbleupon.png" title="StumbleUpon" alt="StumbleUpon" class="sociable-hovers" /></a></li>
</ul>
</div>
		<div class="fixed"></div>
	</div>
</div>
	

<div id="navigator" class="small">
			<span class="alignleft floatleft"></span>
		<span class="alignright floatright"></span>
		<div class="fixed"></div>
</div>




	</div>
	<!-- main END -->

		
<!-- sidebar START -->
<div id="sidebar">

<ul>

	<!-- showcase -->
	
		<li id="text-247085441" class="widget widget_text">			<h3>PoliGazette Staff</h3>			<div class="textwidget">Editor-in-Chief: <a href="mailto:michael@poligazette.com">Michael van der Galien</a><br />
Managing Editor: <a href="mailto: tutakai@gmail.com">Jason</a> <br />
Assistant Editor: <a href="mailto: LynxO_O@yahoo.es">Claudia</a> <br />
Assistant Editor: <a href="mailto: mike@dymersion.com">Michael Merritt</a><br /></div>
		</li>		<li id="recent-posts" class="widget widget_recent_entries">			<h3>Recent Posts</h3>			<ul>
						<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/08/hamas-and-the-arab-states-geopolitical-weekly/">Hamas and the Arab States - Geopolitical Weekly </a></li>
						<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/republicans-20-a-new-forum-just-for-you/">Republicans 2.0: A New Forum, Just for You </a></li>
						<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/obama-warns-deficit-will-increase-significantly/">Obama Warns: Deficit Will Increase Significantly </a></li>
						<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/ny-times-opinionater/">NY Times Opinionater </a></li>
						<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/how-old-is-too-old-for-public-service/">How Old is Too Old for Public Service? </a></li>
						</ul>
		</li><li id="get-recent-comments" class="widget widget_get_recent_comments"><h3>Recent Comments</h3><div id="get_recent_comments_wrap"><ul>	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/war-in-gaza-causes-outbursts-of-anti-semitism-in-europe/#comment-81836" title="War in Gaza Causes Outbursts of Anti-Semitism in Europe, January 7, 2009">Bruno DeGourville</a>: Dear Micheal: I am sorry if i misread you or inconsiderately jumped into conclusion regarding your...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/un-school-in-gaza-rigged-by-hamas/#comment-81835" title="UN School in Gaza Rigged By Hamas, January 7, 2009">Craig Travis</a>: The Palistineans are a more primitive less educated people. Still Israel bears more responnsibility. It...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/republicans-20-a-new-forum-just-for-you/#comment-81834" title="Republicans 2.0: A New Forum, Just for You, January 7, 2009">Crimson Politics</a>: Yes, you have nothing to lose, registering is easy and debates will get fast responses! If you...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/obama-warns-deficit-will-increase-significantly/#comment-81832" title="Obama Warns: Deficit Will Increase Significantly, January 7, 2009">marc</a>: Re &#8220;Pumping more money in the system in order to once again create a bubble and artificial growth&#8221;,...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/un-school-in-gaza-rigged-by-hamas/#comment-81830" title="UN School in Gaza Rigged By Hamas, January 7, 2009">C Stanley</a>: Menlovewar- that might make sense if the rest of the world really would support the kind of diplomatic and...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/russia-blackmails-neighbors-cuts-off-gas/#comment-81829" title="Russia Blackmails Neighbors, Cuts Off Gas, January 7, 2009">tony</a>: a clearly erroneous conclusion to assume the Ukraine is always right, and Russia is always wrong. For one, it...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/un-school-in-gaza-rigged-by-hamas/#comment-81828" title="UN School in Gaza Rigged By Hamas, January 7, 2009">Menlovewar</a>: The rocket fire into Israel is totally unacceptable. However, in light of the response you can&#8217;t...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/war-in-gaza-causes-outbursts-of-anti-semitism-in-europe/#comment-81827" title="War in Gaza Causes Outbursts of Anti-Semitism in Europe, January 7, 2009">Michael van der Galien</a>: Also, through your many postings, you have made your support for Israel’s current course of...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/un-school-in-gaza-rigged-by-hamas/#comment-81826" title="UN School in Gaza Rigged By Hamas, January 7, 2009">C Stanley</a>: eddo- not sure what you mean about reasoning with Hamas. What I was getting at is that Israel hasn&#8217;t...</li>
	<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/07/reid-warns-obama-i-dont-work-for-you/#comment-81825" title="Reid Warns Obama: I Don&#8217;t Work For You, January 7, 2009">Tully</a>: Reid has already demonstrated that he&#8217;s a quibbling hack who will fold like a cheap suit. Nothing he...</li>
</ul></div></li>		<li id="text-254925151" class="widget widget_text">			<h3>Join PG Facebook Group</h3>			<div class="textwidget"><center><a href="http://www.facebook.com/home.php#/group.php?gid=16570998837"> <img src="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/facebook1.jpg" alt="PoliGazette Facebook Group" align="middle"></a></center></div>
		</li>		<li id="text-252969871" class="widget widget_text">			<h3>PoliGazette Partner Feeds</h3>			<div class="textwidget"><script language="JavaScript" src="http://commons.ucalgary.ca/feed2js/feed2js.php?src=http%3A%2F%2Ffeeds.feedburner.com%2FStubbornFacts&amp;chan=y&amp;num=3&amp;html=p" type="text/javascript"></script></div>
		</li><li id="flexo-archives" class="widget flexo_widget_archives"><h3>Archives</h3><ul><li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2009/" class="flexo-link" id="flexo-2009"  title="Year 2009 archives">2009</a><ul class="flexo-list">
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2009/01/' title='January'>January</a>&nbsp;(52)</li>
</ul></li></ul><ul><li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2008/" class="flexo-link" id="flexo-2008"  title="Year 2008 archives">2008</a><ul class="flexo-list">
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/' title='January'>January</a>&nbsp;(609)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/02/' title='February'>February</a>&nbsp;(266)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/03/' title='March'>March</a>&nbsp;(530)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/04/' title='April'>April</a>&nbsp;(365)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/05/' title='May'>May</a>&nbsp;(212)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/06/' title='June'>June</a>&nbsp;(323)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/07/' title='July'>July</a>&nbsp;(268)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/08/' title='August'>August</a>&nbsp;(338)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/09/' title='September'>September</a>&nbsp;(703)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/10/' title='October'>October</a>&nbsp;(856)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/11/' title='November'>November</a>&nbsp;(370)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2008/12/' title='December'>December</a>&nbsp;(126)</li>
</ul></li></ul><ul><li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2007/" class="flexo-link" id="flexo-2007"  title="Year 2007 archives">2007</a><ul class="flexo-list">
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/01/' title='January'>January</a>&nbsp;(3)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/02/' title='February'>February</a>&nbsp;(1)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/03/' title='March'>March</a>&nbsp;(287)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/04/' title='April'>April</a>&nbsp;(421)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/05/' title='May'>May</a>&nbsp;(349)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/06/' title='June'>June</a>&nbsp;(383)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/07/' title='July'>July</a>&nbsp;(9)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/08/' title='August'>August</a>&nbsp;(29)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/09/' title='September'>September</a>&nbsp;(90)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/10/' title='October'>October</a>&nbsp;(67)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/11/' title='November'>November</a>&nbsp;(42)</li>
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2007/12/' title='December'>December</a>&nbsp;(406)</li>
</ul></li></ul><ul><li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/2006/" class="flexo-link" id="flexo-2006"  title="Year 2006 archives">2006</a><ul class="flexo-list">
	<li><a href='http://www.poligazette.com/2006/12/' title='December'>December</a>&nbsp;(2)</li>
</ul></li></ul></li>		<li id="text-247049821" class="widget widget_text">			<h3>Support Poligazette by Clicking Below</h3>			<div class="textwidget"></div>
		</li>
<!-- showcase 2 -->

</ul>

<p><center>

<!-- START PJM Traffic 1 -->
<!-- BEGIN PJM COMMENTS SIDEBAR CODE ONE -->
<!-- BEGIN PJM BUTTON -->
<script language="JavaScript">display_pajamas_button();</script>
<!-- END PJM BUTTON -->
<!-- PJM COMMENTS PAGE FUTURE SPOT 2 -->
<br />
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
document.write('<script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/javascript" SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=1;sz=160x600;pos=1;ord=' + ord + '?" ><\/script>');
</script>
<script>
if ((!document.images && navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Mozilla/2.") >= 0)  || navigator.userAgent.indexOf("WebTV")>= 0) {
document.write('<A HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=1;sz=160x600;pos=1;ord=' + ord + '?" TARGET="_blank">');
document.write('<IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=1;sz=160x600;pos=1;ord=' + ord + '?" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="600" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A>');
}
</script>
<noscript>
<A HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=1;sz=160x600;pos=1;ord=123456789?" TARGET="_blank">
<IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=1;sz=160x600;pos=1;ord=123456789?" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="600" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A>
</noscript>
<!-- PJM COMMENTS PAGE FUTURE SPOT 3 -->
<!-- END PJM COMMENTS SIDEBAR CODE ONE -->
<!-- START MSNBC ad section -->
<div style="clear: both;">
	<p>&nbsp;</p>
	<p><center>
<iframe src="http://content.pulse360.com/cgi-bin/context.cgi?id=88550842&cgroup=external_content_video&color=blue&format=vid160x865&subid=89816358" allowtransparency="true" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" style="width:160px; height:865px; border:0px; margin:0px; padding:0px;"></iframe>

</div>

<!-- START PJM Traffic 2 -->
<!-- BEGIN PJM COMMENTS SIDEBAR CODE TWO -->
<br />
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
document.write('<script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/javascript" SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=2;sz=160x600;pos=2;ord=' + ord + '?" ><\/script>');
</script>
<script>
if ((!document.images && navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Mozilla/2.") >= 0)  || navigator.userAgent.indexOf("WebTV")>= 0) {
document.write('<A HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=2;sz=160x600;pos=2;ord=' + ord + '?" TARGET="_blank">');
document.write('<IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=2;sz=160x600;pos=2;ord=' + ord + '?" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="600" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A>');
}
</script>
<noscript>
<A HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=2;sz=160x600;pos=2;ord=123456789?" TARGET="_blank">
<IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=2;sz=160x600;pos=2;ord=123456789?" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="600" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A>
</noscript>
<!-- PJM COMMENTS PAGE FUTURE SPOT 5 -->
<!-- END PJM COMMENTS SIDEBAR CODE TWO -->
<!-- START PJM Traffic 3 -->
<div id="vizu" class="vizuClass" style="width:150px;text-align:center;"><a href="http://answers.vizu.com/" target="_blank" style="font-size: 10px;font-family: Arial, Helvetica, San-serif; color: #666;">Your Market Research Here</a>
<div style="line-height:0px;"><script language="JavaScript" src="http://wp.vizu.com/zones/4029/exportPoll_4089.js" type="text/javascript"></script></div></div>
<!-- BEGIN PJM COMMENTS SIDEBAR CODE THREE -->
<br />
<script language="JavaScript" type="text/javascript">
document.write('<script language="JavaScript1.1" type="text/javascript" SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/adj/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=3;sz=160x600;pos=3;ord=' + ord + '?" ><\/script>');
</script>
<script>
if ((!document.images && navigator.userAgent.indexOf("Mozilla/2.") >= 0)  || navigator.userAgent.indexOf("WebTV")>= 0) {
document.write('<A HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=3;sz=160x600;pos=3;ord=' + ord + '?" TARGET="_blank">');
document.write('<IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=3;sz=160x600;pos=3;ord=' + ord + '?" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="600" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A>');
}
</script>
<noscript>
<A HREF="http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=3;sz=160x600;pos=3;ord=123456789?" TARGET="_blank">
<IMG SRC="http://ad.doubleclick.net/ad/poligazette.pajama.tmus/comments;tile=3;sz=160x600;pos=3;ord=123456789?" WIDTH="160" HEIGHT="600" BORDER="0" ALT=""></A>
</noscript>
<!-- PJM COMMENTS PAGE FUTURE SPOT 6 -->
<!-- END PJM COMMENTS SIDEBAR CODE THREE -->

<!-- Begin: AdBrite, Generated: 2008-09-19 18:18:02 -->
<script type="text/javascript">
var AdBrite_Title_Color = 'CC0000';
var AdBrite_Text_Color = '000000';
var AdBrite_Background_Color = 'FFFFFF';
var AdBrite_Border_Color = '0000FF';
var AdBrite_URL_Color = '0000FF';
try{var AdBrite_Iframe=window.top!=window.self?2:1;var AdBrite_Referrer=document.referrer==''?document.location:document.referrer;AdBrite_Referrer=encodeURIComponent(AdBrite_Referrer);}catch(e){var AdBrite_Iframe='';var AdBrite_Referrer='';}
</script>
<script type="text/javascript">document.write(String.fromCharCode(60,83,67,82,73,80,84));document.write(' src="http://ads.adbrite.com/mb/text_group.php?sid=850841&zs=3136305f363030&ifr='+AdBrite_Iframe+'&ref='+AdBrite_Referrer+'" type="text/javascript">');document.write(String.fromCharCode(60,47,83,67,82,73,80,84,62));</script>
<div><a target="_top" href="http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?opid=850841&afsid=1" style="font-weight:bold;font-family:Arial;font-size:13px;">Your Ad Here</a></div>
<!-- End: AdBrite -->




</p></center>
</div>
<!-- sidebar END -->

	<div class="fixed"></div>

	<!-- footer START -->
	<div id="footer">
		
		<p><center>
		<div id="info">&copy 2007 - 2009 - "Some rights reserved" - <a rel="license" href="http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/nl/"> 
<img alt="Creative Commons License" style="border-width:0" src=" http://i.creativecommons.org/l/by-sa/3.0/nl/88x31.png" /> 
</a><br><br>


<!-- Begin: AdBrite, Generated: 2008-09-19 18:16:29 -->
<script type="text/javascript">
var AdBrite_Title_Color = 'CC0000';
var AdBrite_Text_Color = '000000';
var AdBrite_Background_Color = 'FFFFFF';
var AdBrite_Border_Color = '0000FF';
var AdBrite_URL_Color = '0000FF';
try{var AdBrite_Iframe=window.top!=window.self?2:1;var AdBrite_Referrer=document.referrer==''?document.location:document.referrer;AdBrite_Referrer=encodeURIComponent(AdBrite_Referrer);}catch(e){var AdBrite_Iframe='';var AdBrite_Referrer='';}
</script>
<span style="white-space:nowrap;"><script type="text/javascript">document.write(String.fromCharCode(60,83,67,82,73,80,84));document.write(' src="http://ads.adbrite.com/mb/text_group.php?sid=850832&zs=3732385f3930&ifr='+AdBrite_Iframe+'&ref='+AdBrite_Referrer+'" type="text/javascript">');document.write(String.fromCharCode(60,47,83,67,82,73,80,84,62));</script><a target="_top" href="http://www.adbrite.com/mb/commerce/purchase_form.php?opid=850832&afsid=1"><img src="http://files.adbrite.com/mb/images/adbrite-your-ad-here-leaderboard-w.gif" style="background-color:#0000FF;border:none;padding:0;margin:0;" alt="Your Ad Here" width="14" height="90" border="0" /></a></span>
<!-- End: AdBrite -->
<br><br>

<!-- Site Meter -->
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://s27.sitemeter.com/js/counter.js?site=s27poligazette ">
</script>

<div align="center">
  <!-- Copyright (c)2006 Site Meter -->
  
  
<!-- START PJM Traffic -->
<!-- START PJM Traffic Code COMMENTS -->
<!-- START Nielsen//NetRatings SiteCensus V5.2 -->
<!-- COPYRIGHT 2005 Nielsen//NetRatings -->
<script type="text/javascript">
	var _rsCI="us-pajamasmedia";
	var _rsCG="poligazette-comments";
	var _rsDN="//secure-us.imrworldwide.com/";
	var _rsSE=1;
	var _rsSM=1.0;
</script>
<script type="text/javascript" src="//secure-us.imrworldwide.com/v52.js"></script>
<noscript>
	<img src="//secure-us.imrworldwide.com/cgi-bin/m?ci=us-pajamasmedia&amp;cg=poligazette-comments" alt=""/>
</noscript>
<!-- END Nielsen//NetRatings SiteCensus V5.2 -->
<!-- PJM CONTENT PAGE FUTURE SPOT 4 -->
<!-- END PJM Traffic Code COMMENTS --> <!-- END PJM Traffic -->
  
  



		
		
		
		
		
		
		<div id="about">
			Powered by <a href="http://wordpress.org/">WordPress</a>			 | Theme by <a href="http://www.fighton.cn/">mg12</a>			 | Valid <a href="http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=referer">XHTML 1.1</a> and <a href="http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/">CSS 3</a>			 | Header by <a href="http://novapages.com/ideablog/" target="_blank">Velda</a> Customization by <a href="mailto:tutakai@gmail.com">Jason</a> and <a href="http://www.eladesign75.com" target="_blank">ElaDesign</a>		</div>
		<ul id="admin">
						<li><a href="http://www.poligazette.com/wp-login.php">Log in</a></li>
			<li id="gotop"><a href="javascript:void(0);" onclick="goTop();">TOP</a></li>
		</ul>
		<div class="fixed"></div>
	</div>
	<!-- footer END -->

</div>
<!-- content END -->

		</div><!-- container -->
	</div><!-- wrap -->

</body>
</html>
<br />
<b>Warning</b>:  is_writable() [<a href='function.is-writable'>function.is-writable</a>]: open_basedir restriction in effect. File(error_log) is not within the allowed path(s): (/home/p6525pol:/usr/lib/php:/usr/local/lib/php:/tmp) in <b>/home/p6525pol/public_html/wp-includes/wp-db.php</b> on line <b>500</b><br />
