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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25435</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 03:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, at least we both agree that runaway deficit spending is a problem that needs to be regned in!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, at least we both agree that runaway deficit spending is a problem that needs to be regned in!</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25433</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that Kemp would recommend reopening of the &#34;gold standard&#34; to McCain.  Just poinitng out a clear match between Paul's monetary policy beliefs, and McCains economic adviser's beliefs.  Logically, this should make Paul's ideas either look less &#34;crazy&#34; or Mcacains choice of advisors just as crazy as a Paul Critic would see Paul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just to be clear, I am not suggesting that Kemp would recommend reopening of the &quot;gold standard&quot; to McCain.  Just poinitng out a clear match between Paul&#8217;s monetary policy beliefs, and McCains economic adviser&#8217;s beliefs.  Logically, this should make Paul&#8217;s ideas either look less &quot;crazy&quot; or Mcacains choice of advisors just as crazy as a Paul Critic would see Paul.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 02:33:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25430</guid>
		<description>Sorry, did another quick search, here is a more recent story.

&#34;Whether calls for a gold standard get traction in Washington remains to be seen. Jack Kemp, the Republican Party's vice-presidential nominee in 1996 and the leader of its growth wing for 25 years, this summer also called for a gold link to the dollar, in part so that America avoids the deflation of assets that is sinking Japan's economy. &#34;

&lt;a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/strategist-sees-gold-lining-jumpy/story.aspx?guid=%7B08429168%2D8318%2D476F%2DB924%2DBF920931A96C%7D" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/strategist-sees-gold-lining-jumpy/story.aspx?guid=%7B08429168%2D8318%2D476F%2DB924%2DBF920931A96C%7D&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, did another quick search, here is a more recent story.</p>
<p>&quot;Whether calls for a gold standard get traction in Washington remains to be seen. Jack Kemp, the Republican Party&#8217;s vice-presidential nominee in 1996 and the leader of its growth wing for 25 years, this summer also called for a gold link to the dollar, in part so that America avoids the deflation of assets that is sinking Japan&#8217;s economy. &quot;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/strategist-sees-gold-lining-jumpy/story.aspx?guid=%7B08429168%2D8318%2D476F%2DB924%2DBF920931A96C%7D" rel="nofollow">http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/strategist-sees-gold-lining-jumpy/story.aspx?guid=%7B08429168%2D8318%2D476F%2DB924%2DBF920931A96C%7D</a></p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25394</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 21:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, there's no doubt that Kemp was for that back then, but I'm not sure if his position has changed/evolved since then. Most in the GOP have moved beyond that debate, and the further we get from the time that we had the gold standard, the harder it becomes to imagine a transition back to it. I remember reading an article which showed that the stock market had risen something like 700 % while in the same time period, prices for everyday commodities had risen 200% (roughly- I'm going on memory.) So, the point was that if we returned to a gold standard, you'd preserve the ability to buy gold but you'd actually LOSE a lot of buying power for real goods and services other than gold- it would have a huge deflationary effect. I think that it's very hard to turn back- and so I think it makes a lot more sense to address the real problem of runaway deficit spending rather than trying to address it by using a gold standard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, there&#8217;s no doubt that Kemp was for that back then, but I&#8217;m not sure if his position has changed/evolved since then. Most in the GOP have moved beyond that debate, and the further we get from the time that we had the gold standard, the harder it becomes to imagine a transition back to it. I remember reading an article which showed that the stock market had risen something like 700 % while in the same time period, prices for everyday commodities had risen 200% (roughly- I&#8217;m going on memory.) So, the point was that if we returned to a gold standard, you&#8217;d preserve the ability to buy gold but you&#8217;d actually LOSE a lot of buying power for real goods and services other than gold- it would have a huge deflationary effect. I think that it&#8217;s very hard to turn back- and so I think it makes a lot more sense to address the real problem of runaway deficit spending rather than trying to address it by using a gold standard.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25386</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:34:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25386</guid>
		<description>I just did a quick search on google and found this:

&#34;But it was Mr. Kemp and his economic proposals that brought in the deep-pocket businessmen with contributions to pay the rent and salaries. They liked his pro-business attitudes, even his suggestion that monetary reform include a return to the gold standard.'

&lt;a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E3D91538F932A3575AC0A960958260&#38;sec=&#38;spon=&#38;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E3D91538F932A3575AC0A960958260&#38;sec=&#38;spon=&#38;pagewanted=all&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just did a quick search on google and found this:</p>
<p>&quot;But it was Mr. Kemp and his economic proposals that brought in the deep-pocket businessmen with contributions to pay the rent and salaries. They liked his pro-business attitudes, even his suggestion that monetary reform include a return to the gold standard.&#8217;</p>
<p><a href="http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E3D91538F932A3575AC0A960958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all" rel="nofollow">http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B04E3D91538F932A3575AC0A960958260&amp;sec=&amp;spon=&amp;pagewanted=all</a></p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25383</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:27:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, what I meant about sarcasm was that I thought I noted a tinge of accusation that Ron Paul's supporters were being held to a higher standard. To whatever degree that that might be true, I think it's because Paul does advocate more radical change and there's a greater need to explain the positions and the likely consequences of his policies.

As for Kemp, I'm pretty sure that it's not his advocacy of the gold standard that McCain is referring to, but his affiliation with supply side Reaganomics.  That is a good point though, and certainly McCain will need to be more explicit as the campaign unfolds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, what I meant about sarcasm was that I thought I noted a tinge of accusation that Ron Paul&#8217;s supporters were being held to a higher standard. To whatever degree that that might be true, I think it&#8217;s because Paul does advocate more radical change and there&#8217;s a greater need to explain the positions and the likely consequences of his policies.</p>
<p>As for Kemp, I&#8217;m pretty sure that it&#8217;s not his advocacy of the gold standard that McCain is referring to, but his affiliation with supply side Reaganomics.  That is a good point though, and certainly McCain will need to be more explicit as the campaign unfolds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25381</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 20:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25381</guid>
		<description>No, not sarcastic.  I heard in one of the debates McCain attempting to describe his economic policy.  I didn't hear any substance at all in his response, just a list of names (Jack Kemp, etc).  It's fascinating that McCain is not only relying on his &#34;best friends&#34; and their opinions about economic policy, but   he doesn't seem know what it is they think.  Isn't Jack Kemp one of these &#34;crazy guys&#34; that likes the idea of a gold standard?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, not sarcastic.  I heard in one of the debates McCain attempting to describe his economic policy.  I didn&#8217;t hear any substance at all in his response, just a list of names (Jack Kemp, etc).  It&#8217;s fascinating that McCain is not only relying on his &quot;best friends&quot; and their opinions about economic policy, but   he doesn&#8217;t seem know what it is they think.  Isn&#8217;t Jack Kemp one of these &quot;crazy guys&quot; that likes the idea of a gold standard?</p>
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		<title>By: C Stanley</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25378</link>
		<dc:creator>C Stanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25378</guid>
		<description>Jay_C, I'm not sure how much of that question was serious and how much was snark, but FWIW here's my response as a Republican who voted McCain in the primary and will do so in the general...

I can sum up what I look for on economic policy in a candidate in two words: fiscal responsibility. McCain's always been a deficit hawk with a tendency to support tax cuts when they're reasonable and balanced with spending restraint. He's opposed pork and done so in action as well as words. That tells me all I really need to know about his knowledge of economics- because I'd prefer a conservative economic policy that tilts toward keeping government out of the way of the private sector.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jay_C, I&#8217;m not sure how much of that question was serious and how much was snark, but FWIW here&#8217;s my response as a Republican who voted McCain in the primary and will do so in the general&#8230;</p>
<p>I can sum up what I look for on economic policy in a candidate in two words: fiscal responsibility. McCain&#8217;s always been a deficit hawk with a tendency to support tax cuts when they&#8217;re reasonable and balanced with spending restraint. He&#8217;s opposed pork and done so in action as well as words. That tells me all I really need to know about his knowledge of economics- because I&#8217;d prefer a conservative economic policy that tilts toward keeping government out of the way of the private sector.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay_C</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25374</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay_C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! I'd really like to see this kind of detailed debate about all the candidates.  Nobody said we aren't thoughtful (on both sides of this argument!)  Doing a quick search on this site, I've seen a quite a few postings regarding McCain and some contain the word &#34;economy&#34;, but not much heated debate about his ideas / or lack thereof.  Let's take a look at McCain and his positions on improving the economy, I haven't heard much about him and his opinions.  For a presidential candidate he doesn't seem all that knowledgeable...thoughts?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! I&#8217;d really like to see this kind of detailed debate about all the candidates.  Nobody said we aren&#8217;t thoughtful (on both sides of this argument!)  Doing a quick search on this site, I&#8217;ve seen a quite a few postings regarding McCain and some contain the word &quot;economy&quot;, but not much heated debate about his ideas / or lack thereof.  Let&#8217;s take a look at McCain and his positions on improving the economy, I haven&#8217;t heard much about him and his opinions.  For a presidential candidate he doesn&#8217;t seem all that knowledgeable&#8230;thoughts?</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25372</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2008/02/12/nato-empty-shell/#comment-25372</guid>
		<description>Robert, once again, you are just posting assertions without evidence, along with a subtle dig at me thrown in at the beginning.  Where do you believe the capitalization for this sudden technological upgrade is going to come from?  Why do you believe that the U.S. market will alone be enough to make it profitable to do so (since U.S. products, even if they are of moderately higher quality, will be priced out of protected markets overseas by virtue of their exploitation of the opportunity to impose tariffs without any consequences)?  Where is your evidence that there would actually be a significant qualitative advantage at all?  What even makes you assume that worldwide consumers are willing to pay for highest quality at all?  The massive popularity of cheap products from China and the new Tata (sp?) automobile in India indicates quite the opposite of the assumption you make.

Also, your assertion that other countries' reliance on &#34;fiat money&#34; would be unsustainable assumes the conclusion that fiat money is bad.  That is an argument, not an objective fact, and it is one of the most poorly evidenced arguments in the whole slate of the Voldemortist pantheon.  It is once again an argument from a scary label, bereft of explanation, evidence, or analysis.  to use it as the linchpin of your claim that unilateral free trade will intrinsically result in reciprocity simply compounds one logical error with another.

You really need to move beyond the scary labels as replacements for arguments and you really need to start providing evidence for your assertions if you want to be seen as doing anything more than just regurgitating talking points.

Historically, I am on solid ground here.  When there is an opportunity to impose tariffs without fear of reciprocal tariffs, states usually do so.  They seem able to sustain such market protections over long periods of time unless there is some institutional pressure (e.g. WTO or trade agreements like NAFTA -- the very things that Voldemort wants to abolish in favor of a purely unilateral approach) forcing them to engage in some degree reciprocal openness.  On their face, your assertions do not appear to have any empirical support.  I'd therefore like to see your evidence rather than just more restatements of assertions that the way that the world has worked will magically change in Voldemort or CATO is suddenly put in charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, once again, you are just posting assertions without evidence, along with a subtle dig at me thrown in at the beginning.  Where do you believe the capitalization for this sudden technological upgrade is going to come from?  Why do you believe that the U.S. market will alone be enough to make it profitable to do so (since U.S. products, even if they are of moderately higher quality, will be priced out of protected markets overseas by virtue of their exploitation of the opportunity to impose tariffs without any consequences)?  Where is your evidence that there would actually be a significant qualitative advantage at all?  What even makes you assume that worldwide consumers are willing to pay for highest quality at all?  The massive popularity of cheap products from China and the new Tata (sp?) automobile in India indicates quite the opposite of the assumption you make.</p>
<p>Also, your assertion that other countries&#8217; reliance on &quot;fiat money&quot; would be unsustainable assumes the conclusion that fiat money is bad.  That is an argument, not an objective fact, and it is one of the most poorly evidenced arguments in the whole slate of the Voldemortist pantheon.  It is once again an argument from a scary label, bereft of explanation, evidence, or analysis.  to use it as the linchpin of your claim that unilateral free trade will intrinsically result in reciprocity simply compounds one logical error with another.</p>
<p>You really need to move beyond the scary labels as replacements for arguments and you really need to start providing evidence for your assertions if you want to be seen as doing anything more than just regurgitating talking points.</p>
<p>Historically, I am on solid ground here.  When there is an opportunity to impose tariffs without fear of reciprocal tariffs, states usually do so.  They seem able to sustain such market protections over long periods of time unless there is some institutional pressure (e.g. WTO or trade agreements like NAFTA &#8212; the very things that Voldemort wants to abolish in favor of a purely unilateral approach) forcing them to engage in some degree reciprocal openness.  On their face, your assertions do not appear to have any empirical support.  I&#8217;d therefore like to see your evidence rather than just more restatements of assertions that the way that the world has worked will magically change in Voldemort or CATO is suddenly put in charge.</p>
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