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		<title>By: No Faxing Payday Loan</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-38081</link>
		<dc:creator>No Faxing Payday Loan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 18:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;No Faxing Payday Loan...&lt;/strong&gt;

Agricultural Inspectors promote Payday Loan Place when the need for comes up for quick payday loans in a distressing circumstance, or perhaps presently hope for a surplus of money in their checking account !...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>No Faxing Payday Loan&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>Agricultural Inspectors promote Payday Loan Place when the need for comes up for quick payday loans in a distressing circumstance, or perhaps presently hope for a surplus of money in their checking account !&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmie</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-19168</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:24:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think a fairly good rule of thumb is that when you see a group with a name like &#34;Center for Public Integrity&#34;, whatever comes after the preposition is not going to be even close to accurate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think a fairly good rule of thumb is that when you see a group with a name like &quot;Center for Public Integrity&quot;, whatever comes after the preposition is not going to be even close to accurate.</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-19147</link>
		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aw, c'mon, Pat! Now you're just confusing him with facts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aw, c&#8217;mon, Pat! Now you&#8217;re just confusing him with facts.</p>
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		<title>By: PatHMV</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-19145</link>
		<dc:creator>PatHMV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rudi, for CPI, I think you meant to link &lt;a href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/about.aspx?act=directors" rel="nofollow"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, not back to the TFIJ board.

Of the 11 members of the FIJ board, 7 (a majority) are also on the CPI board. Of the 15 members of the CPI board, 7 are on the FIJ board.

They were both founded by Charles Lewis. Lewis was president of CPI until he left in 2004 to become president of FIJ.

But just to remove any doubt, you might check FIJ's &#34;why we exist&#34; page, where you'll find this:

&#34; We believe that it is time to protect, defend and foster independent, high quality investigative journalism. The Fund for Independence in Journalism, a 509 (a)(3) nonprofit, tax exempt charity, was created to do just that - &lt;strong&gt;by providing an endowment for support, public education and legal defense of the largest nonprofit, investigative reporting organization in the world, the &lt;/strong&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Center for Public Integrity&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/a&gt;.&#34;

See? By their own word, not independent. The FIJ is the fund-raising arm of the CPI. That's there only mission, to support the CPI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rudi, for CPI, I think you meant to link <a href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/about/about.aspx?act=directors" rel="nofollow">here</a>, not back to the TFIJ board.</p>
<p>Of the 11 members of the FIJ board, 7 (a majority) are also on the CPI board. Of the 15 members of the CPI board, 7 are on the FIJ board.</p>
<p>They were both founded by Charles Lewis. Lewis was president of CPI until he left in 2004 to become president of FIJ.</p>
<p>But just to remove any doubt, you might check FIJ&#8217;s &quot;why we exist&quot; page, where you&#8217;ll find this:</p>
<p>&quot; We believe that it is time to protect, defend and foster independent, high quality investigative journalism. The Fund for Independence in Journalism, a 509 (a)(3) nonprofit, tax exempt charity, was created to do just that - <strong>by providing an endowment for support, public education and legal defense of the largest nonprofit, investigative reporting organization in the world, the </strong><a href="http://www.publicintegrity.org/" rel="nofollow"><strong>Center for Public Integrity</strong></a>.&quot;</p>
<p>See? By their own word, not independent. The FIJ is the fund-raising arm of the CPI. That&#8217;s there only mission, to support the CPI.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi666</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-19142</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt; The &lt;strong&gt;fact&lt;/strong&gt; that they &lt;strong&gt;are neither independent nor non-partisan&lt;/strong&gt;, and that the two organizations are essentially the same single organization save on legal papers, are relevant data when considering the veracity of the &#34;study&#34; for content.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;They are in different locations, but do share some board members. I won't argue about partisanship(not much), but how are they the same organization?
&lt;blockquote&gt;The Fund for Independence in Journalism
1707 L Street, NW - Suite 250
Washington, D.C. 20036
(202) 293-4004
http://www.tfij.org/about/board/


The Center for Public Integrity
The Center is located at - 
910 17th Street NW, Suite 700, 
Washington, DC 20006. 
The telephone number is (202) 466-1300.
http://www.tfij.org/about/board/
&lt;/blockquote&gt;Are the websites listed under the same address or owner?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p> The <strong>fact</strong> that they <strong>are neither independent nor non-partisan</strong>, and that the two organizations are essentially the same single organization save on legal papers, are relevant data when considering the veracity of the &quot;study&quot; for content.
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<p>They are in different locations, but do share some board members. I won&#8217;t argue about partisanship(not much), but how are they the same organization?</p>
<blockquote><p>The Fund for Independence in Journalism<br />
1707 L Street, NW - Suite 250<br />
Washington, D.C. 20036<br />
(202) 293-4004<br />
<a href="http://www.tfij.org/about/board/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfij.org/about/board/</a></p>
<p>The Center for Public Integrity<br />
The Center is located at -<br />
910 17th Street NW, Suite 700,<br />
Washington, DC 20006.<br />
The telephone number is (202) 466-1300.<br />
<a href="http://www.tfij.org/about/board/" rel="nofollow">http://www.tfij.org/about/board/</a>
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<p>Are the websites listed under the same address or owner?</p>
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		<title>By: Tully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 22:06:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The AP story that originally prompted this touted CPI and FIJ as &#34;independent&#34; and &#34;non-partisan.&#34; The &lt;strong&gt;fact&lt;/strong&gt; that they &lt;strong&gt;are neither independent nor non-partisan&lt;/strong&gt;, and that the two organizations are essentially the same single organization save on legal papers, are relevant data when considering the veracity of the &#34;study&#34; for content.

If the American Enterprise Institute came out with something similar regarding a Democratic administration, &lt;strong&gt;that too would bear mentioning in any wire reporting&lt;/strong&gt;, as would any &lt;em&gt;purportedly&lt;/em&gt; unbiased media organization such as Associated Press completely failing to mention the nature and leanings of same when there is no secret at all about it. 

&lt;em&gt;The big question is why now and why not in 2004.
&lt;/em&gt;
It's complete wing chatter re-hash of things that were beaten to death in the last election. This was everywhere from every leftie mouth in the nation in 2004, including all of Soros' personal pocket 527's such as MoveOn.org. It's being re-hased for the reason I already stated--to rile up the leftie base for the primaries and election season. DUH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The AP story that originally prompted this touted CPI and FIJ as &quot;independent&quot; and &quot;non-partisan.&quot; The <strong>fact</strong> that they <strong>are neither independent nor non-partisan</strong>, and that the two organizations are essentially the same single organization save on legal papers, are relevant data when considering the veracity of the &quot;study&quot; for content.</p>
<p>If the American Enterprise Institute came out with something similar regarding a Democratic administration, <strong>that too would bear mentioning in any wire reporting</strong>, as would any <em>purportedly</em> unbiased media organization such as Associated Press completely failing to mention the nature and leanings of same when there is no secret at all about it. </p>
<p><em>The big question is why now and why not in 2004.<br />
</em><br />
It&#8217;s complete wing chatter re-hash of things that were beaten to death in the last election. This was everywhere from every leftie mouth in the nation in 2004, including all of Soros&#8217; personal pocket 527&#8217;s such as MoveOn.org. It&#8217;s being re-hased for the reason I already stated&#8211;to rile up the leftie base for the primaries and election season. DUH.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi666</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-19123</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 21:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jason - I'm just pointing out that both sides of the aisle do this. What is interesting is that the Liebrul watchdogs list the following as the Rights version of Soros.
From Wiki:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Foundation support The Cato Institute has been supported by: &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_Foundation" title="Castle Rock Foundation" rel="nofollow"&gt;Castle Rock Foundation&lt;/a&gt; (formerly known as The Coors Foundation)&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_G._Koch_Charitable_Foundation" title="Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation" rel="nofollow"&gt;Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earhart_Foundation" title="Earhart Foundation" rel="nofollow"&gt;Earhart Foundation&lt;/a&gt;JM Foundation&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Olin_Foundation" title="John M. Olin Foundation" rel="nofollow"&gt;John M. Olin Foundation&lt;/a&gt;, Inc.&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_R._Lambe_Charitable_Foundation" title="Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation" rel="nofollow"&gt;Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynde_and_Harry_Bradley_Foundation" title="Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation" rel="nofollow"&gt;Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation&lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaife_Foundations" title="Scaife Foundations" rel="nofollow"&gt;Scaife Foundations&lt;/a&gt; (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)&lt;/blockquote&gt;If one Googles the above names and looks at Left wings take on them then one might call CATO far right or neocon. Yet how many question the likes CATO and Heritage Foundation because of funding from Castle Rock. I don't remember hearing calls from the Left that &lt;a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=7424" rel="nofollow"&gt;Ted Galen Carpenter&lt;/a&gt; policy papers are propaganda because of funding from Coors. I read CATO a little bit and Reason alot, but blanket assertions based on funding prove nothing. The Soros meme is old, almost as old as the Scaife meme. Any mention of Soros and a rightwing virus spreads. It is happening today when the Captain mentions Soros on his blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jason - I&#8217;m just pointing out that both sides of the aisle do this. What is interesting is that the Liebrul watchdogs list the following as the Rights version of Soros.<br />
From Wiki:</p>
<blockquote><p>Foundation support The Cato Institute has been supported by: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_Rock_Foundation" title="Castle Rock Foundation" rel="nofollow">Castle Rock Foundation</a> (formerly known as The Coors Foundation)<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_G._Koch_Charitable_Foundation" title="Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation" rel="nofollow">Charles G. Koch Charitable Foundation</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earhart_Foundation" title="Earhart Foundation" rel="nofollow">Earhart Foundation</a>JM Foundation<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_M._Olin_Foundation" title="John M. Olin Foundation" rel="nofollow">John M. Olin Foundation</a>, Inc.<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claude_R._Lambe_Charitable_Foundation" title="Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation" rel="nofollow">Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynde_and_Harry_Bradley_Foundation" title="Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation" rel="nofollow">Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation</a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scaife_Foundations" title="Scaife Foundations" rel="nofollow">Scaife Foundations</a> (Sarah Mellon Scaife, Carthage)</p></blockquote>
<p>If one Googles the above names and looks at Left wings take on them then one might call CATO far right or neocon. Yet how many question the likes CATO and Heritage Foundation because of funding from Castle Rock. I don&#8217;t remember hearing calls from the Left that <a href="http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=7424" rel="nofollow">Ted Galen Carpenter</a> policy papers are propaganda because of funding from Coors. I read CATO a little bit and Reason alot, but blanket assertions based on funding prove nothing. The Soros meme is old, almost as old as the Scaife meme. Any mention of Soros and a rightwing virus spreads. It is happening today when the Captain mentions Soros on his blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason Steck</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jason Steck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 19:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt;Can progressives discount all statements or papers from AEI, Hudson, Mackinaw Center and et. al. because of their bias and funding.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;


&#34;Progressives&#34; do exactly that all the time.  Also anything reported on FoxNews or stated by a conservative or anyone who has been labeled a &#34;neocon&#34;.

Rudi, don't pretend that &#34;progressives&#34; don't embrace the ad hom fallacy. It is so common that it is routine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Can progressives discount all statements or papers from AEI, Hudson, Mackinaw Center and et. al. because of their bias and funding.
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<p>&quot;Progressives&quot; do exactly that all the time.  Also anything reported on FoxNews or stated by a conservative or anyone who has been labeled a &quot;neocon&quot;.</p>
<p>Rudi, don&#8217;t pretend that &quot;progressives&quot; don&#8217;t embrace the ad hom fallacy. It is so common that it is routine.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2008/01/23/two-years-of-lies/#comment-19078</link>
		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an ongoing debate, that is as current today as it was when first addressed.

We need to identify the players in this deadly game and help them on to other pursuits in their lives, and not vote them back into public office.

America is under siege from within, and the enemy needs to be rooted out...before we can resume being an influence for good amongst our own and the world at large.

I appreciate your remarks LaurelJ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an ongoing debate, that is as current today as it was when first addressed.</p>
<p>We need to identify the players in this deadly game and help them on to other pursuits in their lives, and not vote them back into public office.</p>
<p>America is under siege from within, and the enemy needs to be rooted out&#8230;before we can resume being an influence for good amongst our own and the world at large.</p>
<p>I appreciate your remarks LaurelJ&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi666</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi666</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2008 17:15:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;It exists for the SOLE purpose of providing funding and legal support for the CPI, which, despite their tax-avoidance-based claims, is a dedicated “progressive” partisan group.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;The whole &#34;but it's a partisan group&#34; meme is BS. Can progressives discount all statements or papers from AEI, Hudson, Mackinaw Center and et. al. because of their bias and funding. The names of Scaife and Coors are just as gulity of funding their pet projects. What about their agendas? The big question is why now and why not in 2004.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>It exists for the SOLE purpose of providing funding and legal support for the CPI, which, despite their tax-avoidance-based claims, is a dedicated “progressive” partisan group.
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<p>The whole &quot;but it&#8217;s a partisan group&quot; meme is BS. Can progressives discount all statements or papers from AEI, Hudson, Mackinaw Center and et. al. because of their bias and funding. The names of Scaife and Coors are just as gulity of funding their pet projects. What about their agendas? The big question is why now and why not in 2004.</p>
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