A Certain Lack of Objectivity

January 9th, 2008 By: Marc Schulman | Tags:

An NBC reporter’s confession:

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  1. kreiz
    January 9th, 2008 at 13:25
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    Wow.   Guess reporters want to be cool too. 

  2. Michael van der Galien
    January 9th, 2008 at 13:46
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    Kreiz: yes, but I think it’s quite a big problem actually.

  3. kreiz
    January 9th, 2008 at 13:53
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    I was agog and not excusing or minimizing it, M.  (My comment intended of sarcasm).  It’s a serious problem.  Too many reporters see themselves as part of the story, part of the action.  Very troubling.

  4. kreiz
    January 9th, 2008 at 13:55
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    I don’t know what they’re teaching in J school these days- but this isn’t as it should be.  Journalists are, above all else, objective observers.  When they become advocates, we’re in trouble.

  5. kreiz
    January 9th, 2008 at 13:58
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    I’m also thinking that everyone needs to step back from the pre-election polling results and quit calling elections.  It’s a bad practice, focused on the horserace, not on subtance.  We all do it.

  6. Michael van der Galien
    January 9th, 2008 at 13:59
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    I’m also thinking that everyone needs to step back from the pre-election polling results and quit calling elections.  It’s a bad practice, focused on the horserace, not on subtance.  We all do it.

    Yes, I’m starting to think that as well, which is why I’m pointing out more and more that the races are wide open, etc.

    I don’t know what they’re teaching in J school these days- but this isn’t as it should be.  Journalists are, above all else, objective observers.

    That’s what they’re taught here. I wonder what they say about that in the US these days.

  7. kreiz
    January 9th, 2008 at 14:28
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    The temptation to read polling tea leaves is enormous- in fairness, polls are often accurate, and may reflect legitimate trending.  But they’re snapshot.  More importantly, the temptation leads right into the horserace- and away from substantance. 

    You’re right, Michael- there are very competitive races going on in both parties.  We need to pay attention, listen and think.  And above all, exercise patience- a wonderful virtue.

  8. abrisaham
    January 9th, 2008 at 14:29
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    That’s what they’re taught here. I wonder what they say about that in the US these days.

    Let me give you two chilling quotes from a couple of fellow students I talked too. 

    One was a policeman coming back for some extra classroom work.  "I am the law."

    I said dont you mean you enforce the law?  "No when I am riding in my squad car I am the law."

    A second was from a senior Journalism major.  I was actually doing a paper on the different professions that deal exclusively with life altering events.

    "I determine what is news.  I make the news what it is."

    What do you mean exactly. 

    "I mean that I can look at two events and have to decide which the people would be more interested in and report on the one that will stir the most interest."

    Obama has stirred the most interest.  You draw your conclusions from this.

  9. Michael van der Galien
    January 9th, 2008 at 14:45
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    Obama has stirred the most interest.  You draw your conclusions from this.

    Yes, very true.

  10. kreiz
    January 9th, 2008 at 15:48

    "I make the news".  Argh.  I was impressed with the long Brokaw quote extolling patience- waiting for the voter results.  To be fair, the media occasionally learns lessons.  After 2000, they quit giving exit poll results until polls closed- a good development.  Perhaps now they’ll be more skeptical of pre election polls.  I figure part of the problem stems from the accuracy of polling:  the 04 and 08 pre election polling results were pretty accurate, so the media got comfortable with polls.  It’ll swing the other way for a while at least.  :) 

  11. abrisaham
    January 9th, 2008 at 16:44

    I did another research project with three other fellow students.  In this project we pooled data from people who volunteered information which they gave to exit polls after voting.  And we also pooled data in which other people volunteered to share their answers with pre election polling that took place primarily via telephone.

    Although the data was not scientific and we purposely did not follow scientific control grouping and such, the point of our pool was not to gather scientific data but to gather voter attitudes toward polling, both pre and post election.

    What we discovered was that 32 percent of the respondents to pre polling data who promised to vote.  Did not.  Those that did vote 16 percent voted for someone other then what they indicated they would vote for in the original poll.

    Exit polling was even more revealing.  21 percent felt that their vote was sacred and that those asking who they voted for was violating their constitutional rights to a secret ballot.  18 percent flat out lied about who they voted for.

    18 percent does not indicate a lot but in a close election if the wrong 18 percent are asked then you will end up with skewed results.  Florida in 2000 is one example and quite clearly New Hampshire is another.

    For example the conclusion that we reached is that a random sampling of exit polling from any district is not scientific and could not be construed as such because there are no controls.  Its a question which might have several answers and a question in which many respondents do not feel compelled to be honest because their is nothing that will hold them accountable.

    Polling is inaccurate at best and as more and more of it is forced down voters throats the pressures to be just deceitful for many varying reasons becomes even more pronounced.

    People are infatuated with polls but as can be seen in the Hillary Clinton Camp the exit polling they were doing at 5 pm convinced them they were going to lose.  Their own polling was wrong.  Everyones was wrong.

    How can that be.  I explained above.  People simply are lying to the pollsters and laughing to their cars about it.

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