Comments on: Huckabee Would Repeal Birthright Citizenship

By: Third Rail

Third Rail — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:15:33 +0000

To check out our interview with the Minuteman Project’s founder Jim Gilchrist tonight Wednesday, January 16, 2008 at 8pm EST go to http://thirdrailradio.com Feel free to call in and speak with him on-air.

By: Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding » Huckabee Spurns Minutemen

Black Shards, In Your Eyes, Blinding » Huckabee Spurns Minutemen — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 19:26:09 +0000

[…] to what was discussed yesterday, Mike Huckabee today denied that he will actively pursue an amendment to the Constitution that […]

By: M Goddard

M Goddard — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:22:22 +0000

Too bad if this is false information. Why in the world does America recognize a different citizenship of a child than from the Mother’s womb from which it came? This "automatic" citizenship has proven to attract illegal behavior (sneaking into the country just to give birth here for citizenship rights) and according to the media, it apparently has the potential of "splitting up" families, although the media would have us belive the right thing to do is not to deny automatic citizenship but to give automatic citizenship to the parents. What a mess this causes and the only obvious outcome is that poor people come here to give birth, usually at the American tax payer’s expence, see how long it is before the parents get caught, yell "what about my children" when they do, and then clog up the courts with litigation. Like I said, too bad this is not a good reporting of someone who would have the guts to not necessarily amend the Constitution, but to read it as it was written. Our constitution says something tot he effect, "no allegience to another country." Well, when you are talking about a 1 hour old infant, I would say they have a pretty strong allegience to their parents country of citizenship wouldn’t you? Our goverment just simply needs to enforce the Constitution as it is written, now how they currently read between the lines. Too bad, I was looking forward to someone actually applying some common sense.

By: supernovia

supernovia — Wed, 09 Jan 2008 03:21:56 +0000

Maybe I use the word beneficial too broadly? Being able to get a job is the biggest benefit I’m talking about. Public education is one of those things I don’t know what you do about at this point — though I wouldn’t say at all that public education keeps kids off the streets — but I can say the kids wouldn’t be here without their parents, so if we can solve why their parents are coming here illegally, then that problem will taper out. But in the meanwhile, these kids will NEED to be taught English. Setting up subcultures of teens who don’t understand each other is NOT helping.

Back to helping convince the parents to go. Unfortunately, there are alot of unscrupulous employers happy to take advantage of the situation. Employers should first be given a reliable way to verify immigration status, then be given full responsibility to make sure their employees are legal. If they choose to hire illegally anyway, they face unattractive consequences. And if employers stop hiring illegally, there won’t be nearly as much motivation to show up here illegally.

As for the slow process of immigration, I know its bad. That’s another thing we have to fix to balance this out, again, to make it more attractive to be legal than illegal. I still feel though that the person needs to be fair and considerate to the ones who tried first to do it the right way. Cause them to WANT to get in line with the others. As things are now, lines are for suckers. Who waits in line for a cookie when they’re being handed out to the pushing crowd? Switch it up so it’s logistically smarter to get back in line as soon as possible, and we’ll have a big part of the problem solved.

By: PatHMV

PatHMV — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 22:23:27 +0000

supernovia, this is going far afield from the original story, but most immigrants are coming to this country not for the "benefits" (which they get very little of) but to WORK. Are they coming over primarily to get their children into the wonderful urban public schools we have? Do you really believe that if we kicked all the illegal immigrant children out of public schools, the parents would pack up and go home? No, we’d have hundreds of thousands of kids running around outside of school, contributing to the growth of gangs and the like, while their parents continue to work.

As for "going legal," most would undoubtedly LOVE to have a path to do so. But the U.S. has very tight quotas for legal immigration, so there is no realistic way for them to get here legally.They’re here because being here illegally is better for them than being in their home country, not because being here illegally is better for them than being here legally.

By: supernovia

supernovia — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:45:28 +0000

I get that it was a flub by the media, but the fact is that under hucks policies, it wouldn’t matter whether these children were born citizens or not. Citizen and non-citizen children get the same benefits, and while that makes us all feel warm and fuzzy, its only going to make the influx worse.

These "aliens" are humans who decide that life as an immigration outlaw, despite its risks, is easier and more beneficial to them than going legal. As mean as it may seem, we need to remove the incentives to break our laws, because their dream country — and indeed the country we love — will become a nightmare if we continue to let our laws slide. I don’t see McCain or Huckabee doing that.

By: PatHMV

PatHMV — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 21:43:20 +0000

Well, has anybody asked Huckabee the real question, did he tell Gilchrist that? The original story cites Gilchrist as saying that Huckabee made that commitment to him. Huckabee’s statement this afternoon denied the substantive policy issue, but doesn’t seem to have denied ever telling Gilchrist that. It’s entirely possible that he was pandering to Gilchrist.

I’m betting that this is NOT a case of the MSM getting a fact wrong. I’m betting that either Gilchrist misled them about what Huckabee told him, or Huckabee misled Gilchrist about what policies he would support.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:43:03 +0000

And according to a poll cited on Andrew Sullivan’s blog, the Huckster is now leading nationally.

By: sam

sam — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 20:07:31 +0000

ya they got it wrong check out Jazz.
man the media always gets it wrong!
GO HUCK!!!

By: C Stanley

C Stanley — Tue, 08 Jan 2008 19:25:54 +0000

It would be a major flipflop, so I’m inclined to believe Jazz- but will keep an eye on the story just in case.

To me, it shows how idiotic it is to try to take a position on any one facet of immigration without addressing it as a whole. You can’t deal with the birthright issue separately from the rest, and you can’t say that you oppose immigrants on the basis of legality while simultaneously refusing to admit that they’re here illegally almost at our invitation because we’ve looked the other way while business sought cheap labor.