Fox Vetoes Ron Paul
Don Surber says that Fox is in the right for not allowing Ron Paul’s participation in the final pre-primary debate in New Hampshire. His justification? The fact that Paul’s fans “stuff every online poll on the Internet”.
Whoop-ti-doo. First, polls are a joke anyway, particularly in a close election cycle like this one. Nothing is more irritating than the constant navel-gazing that dominates memeorandum and other aggregation sites on slow news days. Who cares? Poll reporting is merely an opportunity for writers to attempt to influence the debate.
The relevant facts are that Ron Paul is on the primary ballot in New Hampshire, he significant support in the state, and he has something that the American people deserve the opportunity to hear.
It is particularly galling that Fox could not even be bothered to define an objective criteria for Paul’s exclusion. No news organization has any business whatever deciding who is allowed to speak at a public election forum.
The purpose of our news media is primarily to report facts and, when such is clearly defined, editorialize. News organizations, however, certainly should not be allowed to interfere in the democratic process. The people at Fox seem to have forgotten the limits that exist on their mandates.
What a mess!
http://www.nolanchart.com/article797.html
Ron Paul NOT excluded from Fox debate
Some sloppy reporting, instant web indignation, and holiday vacations produced a surge of hysteria that might have been avoided.
Alright, FOX is holding a televised forum with all the minor Republican candidates, but disincluding Ron Paul, but we’re supposed to think that’s okay because they choose not to call it a "debate"? Well here’s a clue for you: There haven’t been *any* real debates so far. Fact is, FOX is der Sturmer for our times, and when we have our Nuremburg trials, I would dearly love to see Bill O’Reilly hung by the neck until dead, like his Nazi heroes were before him.
I am Ron Paul suporter and if wants to do that its fine by me. We all know the MSM is good for nothing anyway. Its the Internet that is the new MSM now. Thanks Fox News you showed your ture colors YELLOW
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To Whom it may Concern,
I am writing to express my disappointment and displeasure upon discovering Dr. Ron Paul will be excluded from the New Hampshire Debates. Dr. Paul has placed #1 among Republicans AND Democrats at AOL’s spam-proof poll. Dr. Paul LEADS ALL Republican candidates in fund raising this quarter. Dr. Paul is tied for third place in IOWA. Dr. Paul’s support is known to be great among Independents, former Republicans and Democrats. Surely these people deserve to have their candidate heard! Dr. Paul Is the MOST searched for candidate on the internet. The exclusion of Dr. Paul from these debates would be for me the final convincing piece of evidence that we the American citizens are no longer in control of our destiny. Once the process to file FEDERAL complaints via the FCC is automated, you may expect a flood of letters to your affiliate stations stating FOX affiliates are NOT acting in the public interest.
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As the old saying goes “put your money where your mouth is”, and for the forth quarter is appears that Ron Paul is leading in donors and donations. Prior to the first primaries donations are the only true auditable poll that exists. Of the other five candidates which ones have received more money from doners then Ron Paul in the 4th quarter.
Paul is evidently not excluded and is making up his exclusion to get the loons who support him riled up. It’s clear what this angry old man is up to.
When Fox comes out and says he’s included, this lunatic [the Republicans' Mike Gravel] will then preen that he forced them to back down.
This guy is not ready for prime time. He’s arrogant, stupid, and has a couple of great ideas attached to lots of lousy ones.
Daveinboca,
Wake up man. I think Ron’s 20 million this quarter proves he’s the ONLY one ready for prime time!!! Re-think your postion pal, its stupid and irrogant.
FOX is a corrupt corporate propoganda machine, and they have been since their creation.
That said, a business has a right to make such business decisions. It’s their decision, their loss.
I’ve read though that some who hold stock for FOX’s parent company are dumping it.
I can imagine local FOX affiliates being bombarded with calls and letters demanding they not air the debates - because it fails to serve the public interest.
I would prefer that Dr. Paul completely avoid FOX - all interviews and shows, and even advertizing on local affiliates. (He has advertizing money right now. He does not have to do business with FOX.) I know some say that even negative press is good press, but FOX news is not the press! They pretend to be, but they twist and distort every chance they get.
Never forget that FOX News is propoganda - corporate, advertizer driven media. Fox does not present journalism or objective reporting. They never have. They are news entertainment - comparable to "professional wrestling."
Think of some of their comentators’ rants, their attitudes, their juvenile appeals to emotional reactions. Then think of "wrestling" interviews between matches, where all the big, angry men rant and rage at each other. News entertainment and sports entertainment - and neither should ever be confused with reality.
the good thing is, no one believes anything that comes out of fox, I have blocked the channel on the tvs in my house. I dont need any of the shows they have anyways and will be writing the actual shows letting them know why I am not watching them.
Imagine if shows didn’t want to be on the fox network because no one watches it, imagine if advertisers went to other networks because of the mass boycotts on their products.
The strong powers of fox is only strong if people care to listen and now that all of this stuff is getting thrown in the public people are actually googling this stuff to see that infact fox is biased and actually hiding facts about paul.
Whether Paul wins or not, there will be a huge boycott coming anyways on the msm which we all are more then ready to do. All of us so called "Spammers" who inflate polls will actually make a nice dent in their ad dollars especially once we grassroots the event.
Worldwide boycott of the station itself and advertisers.
Mark G
So Ron has about 100,000 fanatics who are libertarian rich or Soros-types hoping to suborn other real Republicans. The problem with Ron Paul is the hyperventilating hysterics of a lot of his followers. Plus his statistically unverifiable claim that he gets more contributions from Iraqi vets than any other Repub simply demonstrates dishonesty or at least manipulation. I checked out that poll & it had methodological holes you could drive a truck through.
So Ron has a thousands of true believers. I prefer a guy who knows more about foreign policy—Paul harks back to the America First isolationists of pre-WWII. I like his IRS & education reforms, but he’s waaay off-base on foreign policy. And it appears that he is falsely claiming Fox banished him from its debate.
Latest RASMUSSEN Poll National Republican: McCain 17%; Romney 16%; Huckabee 16%; Giuliani 15%; Thompson 12%…
Looks like Ron Paul is losing traction if he ever had it.
daveinboca.. you should understand the difference between votes and polls. Polls are inaccurate and useless, their methods of who, what, and where asked are almost never disclosed. If you look at straw polls, where the votes are actually cast by a human, and are binding.. RP does much better than phone polls indicate.
Especially in the AOL Straw Poll, with almost 400,000 votes cast. There Ron Paul leads in Iowa with 39% while Huckabee and ROmney are in a statistical dead heat for 2nd place at 20% and 18% respectively.
Spin that one.
Well Michael v.d.G., this is my third day of four walling the AOL Straw Poll in the hope that someone will take up the challenge and help me spin my way out of what it seems to be telling us.
No takers. Time to move on, I guess.
Robert; perhaps some patience is in order? I’m a blogger, not someone who posts on demand.
No, no Michael, you misunderstood my post. By four walling it myself, I was trying to relieve you of any effort on this. I wasn’t demanding anything from you. Quite the opposite, I figure we might now as well let it be and move on to something else.
People don’t comment on it, cause we’ve got a "stick to the topic of the post" rule. In other words, if people would respond, chances are that after two or three comments me or one of the editors would cut debate short.
And OK: happy that’s clear
I interpreted it somewhat different. Srry bout that.
Let me get this straight - Ron Paul may or may not be excluded from a debate that is not even happening is what it looks like reading and clicking through a few of the links here - and for that Fox News is like Nazi’s, Bill O’reilly should be hung, they are a "corrupt corporate propaganda machine", whose "strong powers of fox is only strong if people care to listen" and we are supposed to believe an online poll because RP is leading but disregard every other poll because they are flawed. About sum it up?
The playing of simple word games here is the most base and laughably pathetic way to detract the legitimate complaints against Fox’s exclusion of Paul…from the FORUM. lol
No, there wont be a "DEBATE" on the 6th…there will be a ROUNDTABLE FORUM with all the Republican candidates EXCEPT Ron Paul.
Dont split hairs to divert attention away from what is happening; there IS going to be a FORUM WITH ALL REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES IN NEW HAMPSHIRE, AND PAUL WAS EXCLUDED BY FOX NEWS.
And to people like Bill W. you can believe any poll you want- that you or anyone else for that matter values SOMEONE ELSE’S opinion so strongly is your problem.
Just consider that the "scientific polls" being shown to you every day on major media channels draw their sampling only from those who voted Republican (as in, for Bush a second time) in the 2004 election.
So if you believe that what USA Today called a "record low registered Republican turnout of 6.6%" in 2004 is indicative of who will be voting for who in this election then I supposed thats also your problem.
I’ll be voting for whose ideas most closely match my own, not who the media tells me is "viable" or who Bush’s most avid (and arguably insane, if they really voted for him a second time) supporters are now cheering for.
I’m not playing word games, I clicked through all of the links above and it appears Fox was going to have a debate on the 8th that got canceled - with no mention of Paul being excluded, and now ABC is going to have a debate on the 6th - doesn’t say a round table it says a debate, and it says nothing about Paul being excluded from that. Nothing about Fox doing anything - so what is the outrage about?
And if you have seen any of my previous posts, you would see that I am dubious about ALL of the polls - I don’t believe any of them are accurate, but find it curious that the Paul backers want to diss all of the scientific ones but put so much stock in an online poll. We’ll see when an election actually happens, which has to wait for New Hampshire. Iowa’s caucuses are maybe a step above an internet poll for accuracy and impeachability.
ok, in addition to all the online/scientific poll arguments. And the unfair media arguments. What about the legalities behind current MSM and What has been done to improve Touch Screen Voting…there is very shocking evidence in this article.
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2007/12/29/p22182
The Main Stream Media has blacked out Ron Paul for the last week; even giving more attention to those polling below him.
FOX cheating Ron Paul vindicates those of us who have said the CFR agenda/New World Order control the press.
The Cnstitution hangs by a thread; pray for His help; then do something about it.
The Media blackout will help push the fourth party run by Paul; now he needs a real deal Veep. Bloomberg (CFR) is running third party.
“FOX cheating Ron Paul vindicates those of us who have said the CFR agenda/New World Order control the press.”
If they did a poll I would guess that 9 out of 10 conspiracy theorists support Ron Paul.
I suppose next thing we’ll hear is that Elvis has given Paul his backing in his 2007 Christmas message….
If you truely wanna know what is meant by "new world order" just google BILDERBERG. Even Wolfowitz joked about it before he entered the circle.
But it is true that most conspiracies do not work so well- over time leaks will find its way out- In Germany there was a cartel (sign posting on autobahns) which lasted almost 50 years. When the old folks passed away their heirs split in a brawl…