Comments on: Piling On

By: rudi666

rudi666 — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:38:47 +0000

“Suck on this” Friedman supported and cheerleaded the war from the start. Here’s an example with him talking with Charlie Rose. “Suck on this” is more delusional than “bring it on”.
Watch and enjoy:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/Media/Play/23567/2/Friedman-Rose-Iraq.wmv/

When Bacevich join the “We win” chorus please email me at@IDontGAF_dot_com.

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:37:31 +0000

No, just an admission that I’m far from perfect and thus can’t guarantee the accuracy of my observations.

By: Michael van der Galiën

Michael van der Galiën — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 18:07:18 +0000

I know no one has actually said it, and it is certainly possible that no one here even meant to imply it. It’s also possible I’m hearing something that’s not really there.

In other words: not a very useful remark.

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:43:17 +0000

In other words, you’re arguing against something no one said.

I know no one has actually said it, and it is certainly possible that no one here even meant to imply it. It’s also possible I’m hearing something that’s not really there.

But I can’t help but feel, whenever there is some debate about Iraq, a distinct sense of deja vu…

By: Michael van der Galiën

Michael van der Galiën — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:20:03 +0000

No I’m not. You’ve been disruptive enough. Play by our rules, or don’t play at all. when you do, you’re welcome, when you’re not, well, hospitality ends somewhere.

By: Chris

Chris — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:17:54 +0000

Michael,
Given that this post had little or no substance, I was left to assume that Marc thought that both of these writers have had a change of heart. I was demonstrating that this change of heart was illusory.

If I’m wrong about that assumption then I apologize for making it.

In any case I think you’re being a bit thin-skinned.

By: Michael van der Galiën

Michael van der Galiën — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:16:43 +0000

That’s because it not. At least not for me, nor Jason, nor the two Marcs, etc. In other words, you’re arguing against something no one said.

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:13:33 +0000

Tom: I expected better from you.

You should know by now not to have high expectations of me!
Anyway, the point I was trying to make, by exaggerating the views of Right and Left, was that arguments about progress in Iraq always seem to be arguments about the wisdom of invading Iraq in the first place, even if the people arguing won’t admit it.

By: Tom

Tom — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:10:46 +0000

Tom: I expected better from you.

You should know better than to have high expectations of me!
Anyway, the point I was trying to make, by exaggerating the views of Right and Left, was that discussions about the conditions in Iraq always seem to be a just another repetition of the debates about the decision to invade Iraq.

By: Michael van der Galiën

Michael van der Galiën — Wed, 21 Nov 2007 17:06:56 +0000

Things in Iraq are getting better, and it’s because of our actions. See? We were right! Invading Iraq was a great idea!

Tom: I expected better from you. What are we actually saying? The surge is working. That’s it. Nothing more, nothing less.

Having said that, if the surge works, well, I’d gladly debate you on the virtue of attacking Iraq.

Chris: next time, treat the poster with respect. And with next time I truly do mean next time. you’re banned automatically when you don’t.