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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/06/13/the-collapse-of-europe-2/#comment-7546</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 21:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LOL!  For a moment there I thought you were comparing Michael to Howard Stern!

There are people who like to be provoked...but I'm not one of them.   Certain opposing opinions hit me like fingernails on a blackboard.

It's why I stopped visiting Bull Moose--Wittmann's Iraq war cheerleading got on my nerves.  Kind of like the immigration issue does here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LOL!  For a moment there I thought you were comparing Michael to Howard Stern!</p>
<p>There are people who like to be provoked&#8230;but I&#8217;m not one of them.   Certain opposing opinions hit me like fingernails on a blackboard.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s why I stopped visiting Bull Moose&#8211;Wittmann&#8217;s Iraq war cheerleading got on my nerves.  Kind of like the immigration issue does here.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/06/13/the-collapse-of-europe-2/#comment-7545</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:59:32 +0000</pubDate>
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So perhaps it’s time I moved on.
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I for one anyway wasn't hoping to prod you - but it was a legit question.

Course then again - a solid part of Howard Sterns audience is from those that can't stand him.</description>
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So perhaps it’s time I moved on.
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<p>I for one anyway wasn&#8217;t hoping to prod you - but it was a legit question.</p>
<p>Course then again - a solid part of Howard Sterns audience is from those that can&#8217;t stand him.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/06/13/the-collapse-of-europe-2/#comment-7544</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've asked myself the same thing.

While this is a good site in many ways---plenty of updates, clear format (unlike TMV), not too many responses (unlike Political Animal)---it's really too conservative for my tastes, especially on issues like Iraq and immigration.

So perhaps it's time I moved on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve asked myself the same thing.</p>
<p>While this is a good site in many ways&#8212;plenty of updates, clear format (unlike TMV), not too many responses (unlike Political Animal)&#8212;it&#8217;s really too conservative for my tastes, especially on issues like Iraq and immigration.</p>
<p>So perhaps it&#8217;s time I moved on.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
Whereas, when people share a common viewpoint, they can get past these basic issues and go further into depth. I find that I can do so more easily at the more liberal sites than the more moderate ones.
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To state the obvious question - why post here then?</description>
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Whereas, when people share a common viewpoint, they can get past these basic issues and go further into depth. I find that I can do so more easily at the more liberal sites than the more moderate ones.
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<p>To state the obvious question - why post here then?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
		<link>http://www.poligazette.com/2007/06/13/the-collapse-of-europe-2/#comment-7542</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 20:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression that this board featured commentators who were more towards the political center.

I've found that while it can be helpful to have a variety of viewpoints, sometime this results in the same arguments over and over again.  The worldviews of the opposing sides are so different that they can't get past the basics (e.g. "Was the Iraq War a good idea?").

Whereas, when people share a common viewpoint, they can get past these basic issues and go further into depth.  I find that I can do so more easily at the more liberal sites than the more moderate ones.

Besides, as Christine pointed out, unlike most people here I'm not really interested in political science or theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression that this board featured commentators who were more towards the political center.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found that while it can be helpful to have a variety of viewpoints, sometime this results in the same arguments over and over again.  The worldviews of the opposing sides are so different that they can&#8217;t get past the basics (e.g. &#8220;Was the Iraq War a good idea?&#8221;).</p>
<p>Whereas, when people share a common viewpoint, they can get past these basic issues and go further into depth.  I find that I can do so more easily at the more liberal sites than the more moderate ones.</p>
<p>Besides, as Christine pointed out, unlike most people here I&#8217;m not really interested in political science or theory.</p>
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		<title>By: mvdg</title>
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		<dc:creator>mvdg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That sounds very interesting Alan and since when are you an "extreme moral relativist?" The people I am speaking of are the ones who argue that there is nothing wrong with Hamas encouraging terrorism.

I greatly value having more progressive commenters than I am. You are one of the people who always leave respectful comments.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Steyn got plenty of laughs when he said that after he presented the caller with objective statistics showing the lack of freedom in the Muslim world, the man responded, “Well, that’s just your opinion.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You got to agree - in the Muslim world people are generally less free than in, say, America and Europe. No? Is that an opinion or a fact?

Anyway - I do not consider Steyn to be a centrist. Who said that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That sounds very interesting Alan and since when are you an &#8220;extreme moral relativist?&#8221; The people I am speaking of are the ones who argue that there is nothing wrong with Hamas encouraging terrorism.</p>
<p>I greatly value having more progressive commenters than I am. You are one of the people who always leave respectful comments.</p>
<blockquote><p>Steyn got plenty of laughs when he said that after he presented the caller with objective statistics showing the lack of freedom in the Muslim world, the man responded, “Well, that’s just your opinion.”</p></blockquote>
<p>You got to agree - in the Muslim world people are generally less free than in, say, America and Europe. No? Is that an opinion or a fact?</p>
<p>Anyway - I do not consider Steyn to be a centrist. Who said that?</p>
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		<title>By: Alan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 19:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I remember why I left this blog for more liberal pastures...

Mark Steyn?  Hardly a centrist, by any definition.  And he's a xenophobe.

And speaking of xenophobia, there's a rather scholarly book on the declining birthrates in Europe called "Barren States".  It points out that concerns about declining birthrates are not new, and are often linked to concerns that the "wrong" groups are growing...racial and religious minorities, the poor, etc.,...but perhaps you want to read the book itself and not take the word of an "extreme moral relativist".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I remember why I left this blog for more liberal pastures&#8230;</p>
<p>Mark Steyn?  Hardly a centrist, by any definition.  And he&#8217;s a xenophobe.</p>
<p>And speaking of xenophobia, there&#8217;s a rather scholarly book on the declining birthrates in Europe called &#8220;Barren States&#8221;.  It points out that concerns about declining birthrates are not new, and are often linked to concerns that the &#8220;wrong&#8221; groups are growing&#8230;racial and religious minorities, the poor, etc.,&#8230;but perhaps you want to read the book itself and not take the word of an &#8220;extreme moral relativist&#8221;.</p>
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