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	<title>Comments on: Hillary on the Economy</title>
	<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/</link>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5252</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 18:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No matter how anyone sees 'the rich' or what they expect of them, the question revolves more around well paying jobs and unward mobility for the not-currently-rich.  I don't  see how the trades like plumbers and electicians can take up the slack left by disappearing manufacturing jobs,burt maybe others know more than I do on the subject.  In my area the assistant/trainee to plumbers, etc. jobs are given more to immigrants, and those salaries are decreasing.
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I do think the rich should share in the problem solving, as we will all be affected by the results.  Bad effects are not contained within a certain class, they spill out. so pitching in can also be self serving.
Besides, prevention is often cheaper than the cure.
We are stingy about drug rehab and other rehabilitation programs in prisons and so we spend more money on building prisons and paying personnel.   California announced a big savings in their prison budget after investing in such programs.

I'll suspend judgment on Hillary's plan until I've had more time to mull it over.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No matter how anyone sees &#8216;the rich&#8217; or what they expect of them, the question revolves more around well paying jobs and unward mobility for the not-currently-rich.  I don&#8217;t  see how the trades like plumbers and electicians can take up the slack left by disappearing manufacturing jobs,burt maybe others know more than I do on the subject.  In my area the assistant/trainee to plumbers, etc. jobs are given more to immigrants, and those salaries are decreasing.<br />
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<p>I do think the rich should share in the problem solving, as we will all be affected by the results.  Bad effects are not contained within a certain class, they spill out. so pitching in can also be self serving.<br />
Besides, prevention is often cheaper than the cure.<br />
We are stingy about drug rehab and other rehabilitation programs in prisons and so we spend more money on building prisons and paying personnel.   California announced a big savings in their prison budget after investing in such programs.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll suspend judgment on Hillary&#8217;s plan until I&#8217;ve had more time to mull it over.</p>
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		<title>By: Interested</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5254</link>
		<dc:creator>Interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 17:16:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5254</guid>
		<description>its a favorite. empty  buzzphrase.
everyone would like to earn more and have the rich earn less so they can get more.

course the rich is always someone other than you.

I agree that we have ned and room for all types of professionals and not always just those with a college degree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its a favorite. empty  buzzphrase.<br />
everyone would like to earn more and have the rich earn less so they can get more.</p>
<p>course the rich is always someone other than you.</p>
<p>I agree that we have ned and room for all types of professionals and not always just those with a college degree.</p>
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		<title>By: lthomas</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5257</link>
		<dc:creator>lthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5257</guid>
		<description>Doma if they actually attempted to address it that would be one thing.

They do not.  They posture, bluster and make promises that GOD cant keep and then when in office point the finger at the other party and blame it all on them.

They then get you and me arguing about whose fault it is why they slap each other on the back and go out and have a 200 dollar dinner all the while complaining about how bad the poor people have it in this country.

So yes until we actually elect someone that fixes something....then I will sneer, jeer and make fun of them because they are after all............LIARS.  They know full well that campaign promises and reality are two seperate and distinct realities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doma if they actually attempted to address it that would be one thing.</p>
<p>They do not.  They posture, bluster and make promises that GOD cant keep and then when in office point the finger at the other party and blame it all on them.</p>
<p>They then get you and me arguing about whose fault it is why they slap each other on the back and go out and have a 200 dollar dinner all the while complaining about how bad the poor people have it in this country.</p>
<p>So yes until we actually elect someone that fixes something&#8230;.then I will sneer, jeer and make fun of them because they are after all&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;LIARS.  They know full well that campaign promises and reality are two seperate and distinct realities.</p>
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		<title>By: lthomas</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5256</link>
		<dc:creator>lthomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 16:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5256</guid>
		<description>open up CEO pay to greater public scrutiny.

Talk about Bush spying on terrorists.  She wants laws to reveal how much a corporate, private sector employee makes.

I can only shake my head.  What people will say to get elected.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>open up CEO pay to greater public scrutiny.</p>
<p>Talk about Bush spying on terrorists.  She wants laws to reveal how much a corporate, private sector employee makes.</p>
<p>I can only shake my head.  What people will say to get elected.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5259</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 15:27:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5259</guid>
		<description>i don't know what the best solution is, but the problems Hillary is addressing are cirically important.

First, there are young people who are simply not equipped to absorb a college education.  For them, manufacturing and low-tech (customer services type) jobs used to be an alternative.  With the gradual disappearance of those job markets, the only options now are mostly in flipping burgers and the like.

A college education for many means incurring a big debt.  For families that depend on help from older children to deal with the needs of younger children and the family as a whole, this is a huge stumbling block.
There are a number of scenarios where ' get a college education' is an order impossible to fill.

In the meantime, there is a growing tendency to look at those not able to become shining examples of economic success in a jusgmental way, as if some prsonality flaw could be the only explanation.

Sometimes I think we will be returning to a rigid class system, with immigrants forming the bottom rung.
This is not good news for the rich, eithher.  They would like to see America continue to look and function as it is today, but it won't if the middle class continues shrinking.  The middle class and upward mobility is what holds a society together.

I don't know, at this point, what the best solution is, but I am sure that ignoring the problem or sneering at those who try to address it is not it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t know what the best solution is, but the problems Hillary is addressing are cirically important.</p>
<p>First, there are young people who are simply not equipped to absorb a college education.  For them, manufacturing and low-tech (customer services type) jobs used to be an alternative.  With the gradual disappearance of those job markets, the only options now are mostly in flipping burgers and the like.</p>
<p>A college education for many means incurring a big debt.  For families that depend on help from older children to deal with the needs of younger children and the family as a whole, this is a huge stumbling block.<br />
There are a number of scenarios where &#8216; get a college education&#8217; is an order impossible to fill.</p>
<p>In the meantime, there is a growing tendency to look at those not able to become shining examples of economic success in a jusgmental way, as if some prsonality flaw could be the only explanation.</p>
<p>Sometimes I think we will be returning to a rigid class system, with immigrants forming the bottom rung.<br />
This is not good news for the rich, eithher.  They would like to see America continue to look and function as it is today, but it won&#8217;t if the middle class continues shrinking.  The middle class and upward mobility is what holds a society together.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know, at this point, what the best solution is, but I am sure that ignoring the problem or sneering at those who try to address it is not it.</p>
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		<title>By: Rich Horton</title>
		<link>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5262</link>
		<dc:creator>Rich Horton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 14:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://poligazette.com/2007/05/30/hillary-on-the-economy/#comment-5262</guid>
		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;What? Please tell me I interprete this statement completely wrongly. It is wrong to demand of the youth that they go to college? Or at least expect them to do so? Since when? Western economies are increasingly knowledge economies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Oh I don't know, I actually agree with her on this.  College degrees used to be worth more exactly because not everyone was expected to get one.  I've taught enough college kids to know that many of them simply do not want to be there.  Oh, they are interested in the college social life, but many times they are there to placate a parent.  Many are just wasting their time and money.  Many would be better off in a post-secondary vocational training situation, which are much more work related than your traditional four year degree.

It doesn't matter how "information based" the society becomes, we are still gonna need plumbers, electricians, building trades, etc., and as much as I believe the college experience can be a richly rewarding one, you can't force kids to want it.  I mean, thanks to my education I can go on and on about Machiavelli's conception of Republican Virtue in his &lt;em&gt;Discourses on Livy&lt;/em&gt;, but why should my auto mechanic care?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>What? Please tell me I interprete this statement completely wrongly. It is wrong to demand of the youth that they go to college? Or at least expect them to do so? Since when? Western economies are increasingly knowledge economies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Oh I don&#8217;t know, I actually agree with her on this.  College degrees used to be worth more exactly because not everyone was expected to get one.  I&#8217;ve taught enough college kids to know that many of them simply do not want to be there.  Oh, they are interested in the college social life, but many times they are there to placate a parent.  Many are just wasting their time and money.  Many would be better off in a post-secondary vocational training situation, which are much more work related than your traditional four year degree.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter how &#8220;information based&#8221; the society becomes, we are still gonna need plumbers, electricians, building trades, etc., and as much as I believe the college experience can be a richly rewarding one, you can&#8217;t force kids to want it.  I mean, thanks to my education I can go on and on about Machiavelli&#8217;s conception of Republican Virtue in his <em>Discourses on Livy</em>, but why should my auto mechanic care?</p>
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