The Collapse of Europe
Filed under: Europe, Immigration, Integration — Michael van der Galien, Editor-in-Chief on May 24, 2007 @ 1:32 pm CEST
An interesting article by Gideon Rachman at the Financial Times.
If you happen to be passing though Malibu next month, why not pop into an intriguing-sounding conference at Pepperdine University on “The Collapse of Europe”. One of the early sessions is entitled - “Eurabia: Is Muslim domination of Europe inevitable?”
My answer to this is “No” it’s not inevitable. In fact, given that the Muslim population of Europe is just 4% at the moment, I would say it’s highly unlikely. But don’t trying telling that to an audience of American conservatives. The idea that Europe is about to be submerged by the Muslim hordes seems to be almost recieved wisdom over there. It is certainly a notion that has launched a great many books. There is “Eurabia: The Euro-Arab Axis” by Bat Ye’or; “While Europe Slept – How Radical Islam is Destroying the West from Within” by Bruce Bawer; “The Death of the West” by Pat Buchanan; and “The Cube and the Cathedral” by George Weigel.
I was depressed to see that Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somali-born Dutch politician is taking part in the Pepperdine conference. She is a highly intelligent and courageous woman, so it’s a shame to see that she is mixing with buffoons like Mark Steyn, who is giving the keynote address at the conference.
Steyn is the author of the most successful recent book about the alleged Muslim takeover of Europe. “America Alone” earned its author a place in the New York Times best-seller list and praise from President Bush.
While the average might be 4%, I find it worrisome that within a few years time, immigrants will form the majority in the biggest cities of the Netherlands, such as Rotterdam and Amsterdam. Rachman might consider those facts a minor detail, but to the Dutch, they matter. It’s not just about extremism, it’s also about a change in society most people don’t welcome.
Read more at TMV.
1 Alan
May 24, 2007 @ 2:17 pm CESTA majority in the largest Dutch cities is not the same as a majority in the country as a whole. African-Americans are a majority in many of our large cities, but comprise less than 20% of the total population.
And this assumes that there won’t be integration with increasing time. I know in France the longer a Muslim immigrant has been in the country the more secular they become. Chances are the same thing will happen elsewhere.
2 mvdg
May 24, 2007 @ 2:22 pm CESTThere’s a difference between African-Americans, who live in America for hundreds of years, and new immigrants who either came here themselves or whose parents moved here.
Yes, they become more secularized, on the other hand… there are still many problems with our immigrant youth. That 40% of Morrocan-Dutch youth belives that Democracy is incompatible with Islam is extremely worrisome.
3 Alan
May 24, 2007 @ 2:50 pm CESTI wasn’t comparing African-Americans to Muslims culturally, I was just using them as a demographic example (a majority in the cities can still be a small minority nationally).
4 mvdg
May 24, 2007 @ 2:51 pm CESTYes, but the problem isn’t minority or race, the problem is that stats show that a lot of them are not well educated, don’t have jobs and that this situation might become worse. There are now certain neighborhoods in our cities where it’s a mess. The fear is that entire cities will become like that.
5 lthomas
May 24, 2007 @ 3:38 pm CESTThis reporter is obviously a nitwit and should resign his credentials as a reporter.
I used to argue that China was the worlds number one exporter of global trash. People looked at me like I was insane. How dare you go against the status quo.
All they had to do was google for 10 minutes and their whole life was changed.
Muslims are not going to take over Europe in the next 10 years. But what about 25 years………50 years. If Europeans are breeding at 1.1 and muslims are having 10.3 babies per mother, it does not take a math teacher to figure that one out.
6 Alan
May 24, 2007 @ 5:04 pm CESTI really doubt that European Muslims are having 10.3 children (and what would they do with that 0.3 of a child?
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Nor do I really have for these “We have to out-breed these Arabs” arguments. Matt Yglesias dealt with this yesterday in his blog regarding Mark Steyn’s book, and I agree with him:
“I’ll count it as a damn good thing that the country wasn’t run by people whose idea of the key foreign policy issue of our time was finding a way to get Christians to outbreed the Muslim hordes.”
7 lthomas
May 24, 2007 @ 5:41 pm CESTBut Russia’s Muslims are bucking that trend. The fertility rate for Tatars living in Moscow, for example, is six children per woman, Goble said, while the Chechen and Ingush communities are averaging 10 children per woman. And hundreds of thousands of Muslims from Tajikistan, Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan have been flocking to Russia in search of work.
Check out these posts. The facts are substantiated thru research.
http://lthomas.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/russia-declares-herself-a-muslim-nation/
http://lthomas.wordpress.com/2007/04/22/is-the-islamic-threat-real/
This threat is real. You can ignore the studies, pretend it does not exist but the President of Mexico in 1996 declared that his country would take over America by the year 2075. How. Thru illegal immigration and Breeding habits that go way above the indigenous population.
8 Alan
May 24, 2007 @ 9:24 pm CESTWow. I’ll be sure to look out for those Mexican hordes.
It’s called “change”. I know conservatives don’t like it, but get used to it.
9 Hakim
June 4, 2007 @ 7:04 pm CESTIt is called “a return to the dark ages.” This is a normal cycle for human civilisations. They rise and they fall. Western civilisation had done well—in fits and starts—but a newer, more vital, and more primitive civilisation (Islam) is rising to conquest via demographic growth. Conquest via uterus.
Imperialism by any other name . . .
Make way for the new dark ages, for the suppression of women, for mass beheadings in the public square.
10 Consanescerion
June 11, 2007 @ 9:34 am CESTVae Victus