Comments on: Quote of the Day http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/ Politics and world events from a moderately liberal and conservative perspective Fri, 29 Aug 2008 21:18:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: C Stanley http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2669 C Stanley Mon, 30 Apr 2007 04:50:53 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2669 Kim said:<blockquote>I do believe that Condi did little to respond to warnings from the CIA which she is now pretending not to remember. If not why not come out and say there was not specific enough information to act on?</blockquote> That's exactly what she did say, Kim. That was her overall testimony about the threat reports to the 9/11 commission as well as her response when questioned about the meeting where Tenet claims that he left feeling that she wasn't taking him seriously. Her recollection of that seems to be that she knew the threat was serious but that there was still little that anyone could do without specific information about al Qaeda plans to attack on US soil. Kim said:
I do believe that Condi did little to respond to warnings from the CIA which she is now pretending not to remember. If not why not come out and say there was not specific enough information to act on?

That’s exactly what she did say, Kim. That was her overall testimony about the threat reports to the 9/11 commission as well as her response when questioned about the meeting where Tenet claims that he left feeling that she wasn’t taking him seriously. Her recollection of that seems to be that she knew the threat was serious but that there was still little that anyone could do without specific information about al Qaeda plans to attack on US soil.

]]> By: yonason http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2668 yonason Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:34:36 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2668 <em>"2 mvdg Quite a bit lower I am afraid"<em> And they'll have to in order to catch up with the Dems. In fact, even if they were in free-fall, it would take them a while. “2 mvdg
Quite a bit lower I am afraid”

And they’ll have to in order to catch up with the Dems. In fact, even if they were in free-fall, it would take them a while.

]]> By: yonason http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2667 yonason Sun, 29 Apr 2007 22:27:14 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2667 Most of the discussion above is rumor/speculation- as opposed to fact-based, not to mention poorly reasoned. I've seen enough valid info that suggests no one knew anything more than that we had been attacked before, and would probably be attacked again. Coming to conclusions and deciding on a courses of action based on speculation isn't the right way to go on anything, let alone something so important. <em>"Another 9/11 might or might not happen no matter who is in power. Accounts I’ve read say that no policy can totally prevent another attack. But that reasoning [what "reasoning?"] is why I’m not voting Republican in ‘08."</em> -- kritter (see what I mean?) Vote instead for the party that wants decreased surveilance of known or suspected terrorists (not ordinary Americans), decreased border security at home, and to run away from our enemies abroad. Clever, ...NOT! Sure, the Reps aren't guaranteed success at stoping the next attack, but I can guarantee you the Dems will increase it's likelyhood. Most of the discussion above is rumor/speculation- as opposed to fact-based, not to mention poorly reasoned. I’ve seen enough valid info that suggests no one knew anything more than that we had been attacked before, and would probably be attacked again.

Coming to conclusions and deciding on a courses of action based on speculation isn’t the right way to go on anything, let alone something so important.

“Another 9/11 might or might not happen no matter who is in power. Accounts I’ve read say that no policy can totally prevent another attack. But that reasoning [what “reasoning?”] is why I’m not voting Republican in ‘08.” — kritter

(see what I mean?)

Vote instead for the party that wants decreased surveilance of known or suspected terrorists (not ordinary Americans), decreased border security at home, and to run away from our enemies abroad. Clever, …NOT!

Sure, the Reps aren’t guaranteed success at stoping the next attack, but I can guarantee you the Dems will increase it’s likelyhood.

]]> By: kritter http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2666 kritter Sun, 29 Apr 2007 21:29:15 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2666 All in all it seems just as irresponsible to claim that if there's another attack that the Democrats will own it, as to say that the Republicans own the first 9/11 attack. I do believe that Condi did little to respond to warnings from the CIA which she is now pretending not to remember. If not why not come out and say there was not specific enough information to act on?Tenet's book skewers her and Cheney- but lets Bush off the hook. I believe he is still close to him which engenders loyalty. And there is a lot of information out there claiming that Rudy himself made poor decisions between the first WTC attack and 9/11. He chose to put the first responder command ctr on the 24th floor, and did not make sure that communications between police and firefighters would be smooth if there was another attack. After 9/11 he showed leadership, but he's not very popular in NYC for what he did before and during the tragedy. All in all it seems just as irresponsible to claim that if there’s another attack that the Democrats will own it, as to say that the Republicans own the first 9/11 attack. I do believe that Condi did little to respond to warnings from the CIA which she is now pretending not to remember. If not why not come out and say there was not specific enough information to act on?Tenet’s book skewers her and Cheney- but lets Bush off the hook. I believe he is still close to him which engenders loyalty.

And there is a lot of information out there claiming that Rudy himself made poor decisions between the first WTC attack and 9/11. He chose to put the first responder command ctr on the 24th floor, and did not make sure that communications between police and firefighters would be smooth if there was another attack. After 9/11 he showed leadership, but he’s not very popular in NYC for what he did before and during the tragedy.

]]> By: Mikef http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2665 Mikef Sun, 29 Apr 2007 18:07:38 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2665 <blockquote>“When a newly revitalized al-Qaeda carries out a 9/11-scale attack, you will own that one”</blockquote> Had the president pursued and destroyed al Qaeda instead of getting distracted in Iraq, they'd never have the chance to carry out another 9/11 scale attack.

“When a newly revitalized al-Qaeda carries out a 9/11-scale attack, you will own that one”

Had the president pursued and destroyed al Qaeda instead of getting distracted in Iraq, they’d never have the chance to carry out another 9/11 scale attack.

]]> By: C Stanley http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2664 C Stanley Sun, 29 Apr 2007 03:05:04 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2664 Well, that was my understanding of the 9/11 commission report; I agree, it will be interesting to see if Tenet's book sheds any more light on it. But then again, if he had said something specific and actionable that was ignored, why would he not have told that to the commission? And if he's now claiming that he did, I'm not sure I can put much stock in it given that it might be something he's embellished in order to sell his book. Well, that was my understanding of the 9/11 commission report; I agree, it will be interesting to see if Tenet’s book sheds any more light on it. But then again, if he had said something specific and actionable that was ignored, why would he not have told that to the commission? And if he’s now claiming that he did, I’m not sure I can put much stock in it given that it might be something he’s embellished in order to sell his book.

]]> By: kritter http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2663 kritter Sun, 29 Apr 2007 03:02:11 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2663 . "Again, the point is, the administration knew that the threat was looming and they were ASKING the CIA to find something they could act on, but they didn’t get anything. " How do we know that, CS? I'm not sure exactly what Tenet's warning was- but Monday his book is coming out-so that might reveal more. I'm not saying that I find him totally credible, but the administration's version is no longer credible either. . “Again, the point is, the administration knew that the threat was looming and they were ASKING the CIA to find something they could act on, but they didn’t get anything. ”

How do we know that, CS?

I’m not sure exactly what Tenet’s warning was- but Monday his book is coming out-so that might reveal more. I’m not saying that I find him totally credible, but the administration’s version is no longer credible either.

]]> By: C Stanley http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2662 C Stanley Sun, 29 Apr 2007 02:56:45 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2662 Are there different standards Interested? I hadn't noticed ;-) Kim, Did Tenet tell Rice anything actionable at that meeting? If so, I haven't heard it. Again, the point is, the administration knew that the threat was looming and they were ASKING the CIA to find something they could act on, but they didn't get anything. Of course we now know of some of the internal problems that prevented various information from getting into the right hands, but none of that pointed to the White House ignoring information that it was given. Are there different standards Interested? I hadn’t noticed ;-)
Kim,
Did Tenet tell Rice anything actionable at that meeting? If so, I haven’t heard it. Again, the point is, the administration knew that the threat was looming and they were ASKING the CIA to find something they could act on, but they didn’t get anything. Of course we now know of some of the internal problems that prevented various information from getting into the right hands, but none of that pointed to the White House ignoring information that it was given.

]]> By: Interested http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2651 Interested Sat, 28 Apr 2007 21:03:26 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2651 don't forget the different standards depending what party you afiliate with CS. don’t forget the different standards depending what party you afiliate with CS.

]]> By: kritter http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2652 kritter Sat, 28 Apr 2007 20:49:41 +0000 http://poligazette.com/2007/04/27/quote-of-the-day/#comment-2652 I prefer the police response- an army response is failing us in Iraq, unless our new identity is to be an occupying power whi is universally despised in the ME. Imo, you are setting up a strawman by using the right wing talking points about appeasement. There are many positions between the two extremes. The current policies certainly haven't made us any safer. Anyway, Tenet is not an anonymous source, and that's what he claims also. I prefer the police response- an army response is failing us in Iraq, unless our new identity is to be an occupying power whi is universally despised in the ME. Imo, you are setting up a strawman by using the right wing talking points about appeasement. There are many positions between the two extremes. The current policies certainly haven’t made us any safer.

Anyway, Tenet is not an anonymous source, and that’s what he claims also.

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